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hello and welcome to the show on Martin

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will assure host and we have Alejandro

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Rojas coming up with UFO updates and

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just a minute here before that I did

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want to say talk about our guest he is

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Michael Hall he has quite a background

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he was a former Superior Court Judge Pro

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Tem certified mediator and he's also

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into UFOs we're going to be talking a

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lot about that and he's out on the west

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coast in near the Seattle area

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Washington State anyway so I wanted to

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just say something really quickly here

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because a lot of times you know I get

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there's a lot of negative feedback on

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YouTube then that's just the way it is I

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understand that a lot of times I don't

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read any of the messages so that's why

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sometimes I never respond but sometimes

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like I do read them and I see some

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really good points that someone makes

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and sometimes really good critiques so I

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take it all and I do want to I got this

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really nice message and I've always been

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you know a little bit concerned about my

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professional life when it comes to UFOs

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and how they may cross so I got this

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mail I'm just gonna read it to you

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because I thought it was really nice and

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I really liked getting it so I'm a

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longtime listener to the antiques forum

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that's my that's my show I do a podcast

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on antiques called the antiques auction

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forum and he writes here that he found

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my UFO show and boy was I surprised and

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skeptical but I thought I'd listen to a

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couple of episodes as I hold you in high

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regard and believe you to be a

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straight-up guy anyway

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the second episode I listened to was

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about the Nimitz case and boy I soon

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learned why you have an interest in this

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area my views have changed quite a bit

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with such credible witnesses so since

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then I've listened to a few and I've

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done my own googling on the Nimitz case

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in particular I really like the

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you bring your logical antiques brain to

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the program and seek to find the truth

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and call out the fakes that is healthy

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as I like many people tend to lump

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everything together incidentally I'm

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into boating so we share a couple of

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interest and now you can add UFOs to

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that anyway he says a lot of really kind

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things I just thought I'd I'd add that

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to this show because I thought it was a

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very nice thing for someone to write and

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also it's probably the first vindication

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that I really had that people are okay

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with me doing UFOs and antiques at the

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same time Alejandro so nice letter

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wasn't it that was nice nice note to get

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a great letter and it's funny because

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you say it was an indication that people

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are into ok with you he that's what's

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funny he wasn't at first he was thinking

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oh great Martin I like this guy and he

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said he turns out he's a UFO weirdo but

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luckily he liked you enough to listen to

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the show and saw there was credible

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stuff so that's really cool it's great

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story oh by the way he said I could say

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his name he's Tony and he's from Sydney

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Australia so thank you yeah yes yeah

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have a lot of listeners by the way I'm

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sure you do too in Australia a country

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of what 26 million people it's like 2nd

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out of people down there yeah like

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second or third as far as listeners to

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the show which is great I would love to

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go out there too and visit sometime Ben

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Hansen our good buddy goes out there and

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does talks out there yeah why not once a

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year it's a longer that'd be fun takes

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forever to get there but I really want

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to go there in the winter that winter

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yeah so what's going on in the UFO world

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a lot as usual of course the biggest

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story is this thing about storming area

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51 so I wrote a story this weekend and

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this isn't just to plug my story of

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course it is largely about that but also

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to talk about the details in the story

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what I wrote was the people have gone

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past the warning signs at area 51 and I

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put this on my blog at all 102 Rojas

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comm but I actually wrote it for the

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Roswell Daily Record so some form of

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it'll go up there

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my point is as I was writing the story

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this weekend the clicker was at about

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690 thousand by the time I finished my

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story it was out up to about 710 now it

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is add if I saw right 1.4 million so

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it's doubled since just a couple days

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ago when I wrote my story so this thing

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is really going up and up and I actually

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contacted the Lincoln County Sheriff's

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Department and here's why if you read my

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story my story is about three different

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people who went across the line and what

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happened to them and essentially what

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happens is the guards hold you until the

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police come because they're it's their

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jurisdiction but you could be waiting

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there with your face in the dirt for a

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long time before and you'll be

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manhandled and shoved in the dirt you

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know until you the police get there the

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police had no comment they said we're

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aware of this but we have no comment

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however the air force has told

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Washington Post you know we're ready for

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you don't do it and we're gonna be ready

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if you try it

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so yeah it's amazing that this is

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getting news all over the place the

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question is are people going to show up

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sure it started as a hoax

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apparently in fact if I look at the

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description for the event all it says is

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we will all meet up at the area 51 alien

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our entry if we Naruto run we can move

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faster than their bullets let's see them

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alive and the rudos a cartoonist for

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those of you don't know these kids

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training to be ninjas so they run very

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fast and they dodged a bullet so even

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though this seemed to be a joke to begin

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I think people are gonna show up and

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what's scary is people like George Knapp

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or Nick Pope I've retweeted their tweets

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saying hey this is a really dumb idea

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George Knapp so it's funny hey if you do

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it it's gonna make for a good story that

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alright you know cuz they're in Las

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Vegas but don't do it cuz it's dumb and

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negative responses they got where people

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are like oh you're just being negative

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you just don't want us to find the truth

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disinformation agent yeah exactly so

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there's a host of people out there who I

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think are taking this seriously so I

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hope that the authority is already and

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we'll see what happens I think it is a

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bad idea

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and I think I might I'm really highly

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considering going just to cover what may

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or may not happen when DUP I was on on

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your show yes we talked on your show

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about this as well and we were talking

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about the possibility of Facebook

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shutting that down which I I hope they

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do but I was just thinking about this

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today if facebook did shut it down

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today I bet something would still happen

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you know I mean because there's so many

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people involved it would still be a new

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story and of course we were talking

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essentially it's illegal you can't storm

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is advocating and spent essentially a

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real conspiracy to MIT commit a crime

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with 1.4 million people at area 51 so

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that's why we were speculating maybe

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they'll shut it down they haven't yet

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course they have a lot of time to do it

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this event isn't planned until September

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20th so it'll be really interesting I

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wonder how many of your listeners have

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clicked the going button I click the

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interested button I'm interested to see

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what happened there's about 1.1 an

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interested people a million interested

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people 1.4 million say they're going so

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yeah that's a big new story that's all

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over the place but I'm really proud of

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my story cuz I've written this about

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these other people who've gone across

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and some of it's pretty fun and a couple

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of these stories that I posted have

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videos so you can actually see what

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happens yeah if you check that out but

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yeah that's a big story out there so

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what what happens when you click on it

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that you're interested are you getting

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any like notices or something like that

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you know what I haven't noticed that

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I've been getting any notices at all to

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be honest I thought maybe I would but

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I'm not sure what kind of notice is I

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would get but I haven't been getting

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anything that I've known

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at all of course I'm overwhelmed with

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notifications on and comments on so much

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other things going on on Facebook that I

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could have missed it

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but yeah so far I haven't seen anything

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yeah yeah well well this will be really

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interesting how it plays out and I just

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hope no one gets hurt you know and and

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no one really wants to spend time in the

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dirt yeah exactly no one wants to spend

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time in the dirt and it was funny

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because I told these stories of course

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when I was going with a Kardashian Syria

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vision when I got to take them I told

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these stories to them on the way up to

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make it sure they understood do not

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cross those lines yeah and if you watch

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this show they were really freaking out

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there telling their dad at the time

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Bruce now Caitlyn doe cross doe cross

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and he kind of tried to scare him but

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yeah I would not want to to experience

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that but you were telling me about a

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listener we were talking before we came

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on who was mentioning a Popular

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yes story and besides this area 51 story

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we've had a lot of very positive media

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talk about UFOs and this popular

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mechanic one is a good one it's the same

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and I like it because I'm a fan of

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Popular Mechanics but they've always

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been very negative in fact when I was

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back with MUFON they wrote this really

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bad one it was during the Stephen bill

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bill years it was terrible but this

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article is pretty good it's it's I don't

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know but it says five scientific reasons

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for believing in aliens and I'm gonna go

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over the five reasons real quick here

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SETI Institute I don't think this is a

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scientific reason for believing in

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aliens it just means that these things

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believe in aliens yeah and they're

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searching for aliens so maybe I guess

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because these scientists do that you

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should too number two is UFOs peak the

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Pentagon's interest that doesn't mean

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you should believe in aliens or nor does

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it give the nor have they said they have

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scientific evidence of aliens but it's

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still a great story so I'm glad that

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they include it 3 the Navy jet UFO

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encounters those of course are

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interesting we've had witnesses on

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scientifically you know they're

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interesting for is a Momoa which I don't

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think is alien

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at all it's probably you know just kind

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of some natural thing here but that

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scientists we're talking about aliens

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around it is interesting and then five a

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plethora of exoplanets and I think this

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is the best scientific case just to show

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that there are way way way more planets

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out there than even the scientists

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expected and of course if our lonely

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little planet here that we know so well

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has life on it then what are the chances

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that the numerous of millions and

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millions of other planets out there may

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have intelligent life as well the odds

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are probably pretty good so it is a

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great Popular Mechanics a piece there

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but otherwise lots of other UFO news

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going on if you want to know more about

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that the headlines out there of course

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go to the front page of open mind TV and

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you'll see them there in the headlines

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well hey I just looked in chat we have

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Kevin day in chat and Chris Lambright

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Wow it's an all-star chat this evening

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awesome

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can't wait to meet him at the UFO

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Congress doesn't be speaking out to

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Congress that's right that's right hey

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Alejandro thank you so much and thank

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you it will talk to you next week have a

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good one

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all right next week and don't storm area

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yeah don't plan on it but I'll take

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pictures of the people who do yeah all

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right take care maybe some video yeah

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all right

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so our guest this evening is Michael

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hall and he is a former Superior Court

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Judge Pro Tem certified mediator

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founding and a founding partner of the

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hall or law firm anyway I'm gonna skip

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all the way down to this part where he

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has a lifelong interest in UFOs and

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we'll be talking about that and so much

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more he's also part of the UFO I team he

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just got back from some four-day

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excursion

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we're gonna talk about that and so

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hey Martin I'm doing really well good

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good my yeah I need your camera on yours

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no yeah I can see yeah yeah there you

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are

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right great thanks a lot welcome to the

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show well I'm really excited to be here

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thank you for having me on yes you're

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very welcome and we're going to be

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talking about all kinds of things for

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the person who is unaware of who you are

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can you go ahead and give them the

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thumbnail description of yeah what you

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do how you're how you get into this of

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this crazy subject of UFOs not so crazy

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anymore though yeah isn't that something

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exactly yeah well you know like most of

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us out there I've been interested in

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UFOs my entire life ever since I was a

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little kid I think my professional

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career basically started back in 1974 or

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so when I was a field investigator for

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the aerial phenomena research

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organization coral and Jim Lawrence ins

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group back in those days also over the

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years after I became attorney I became

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representing a lot of ufologists

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basically some of they're setting up

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their you know programs for their

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corporate entities and everyone's while

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there's some legal issues that come

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along for instance when Peter Davenport

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purchased his underground missile site

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in eastern oh yes yeah I was the guy who

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put that deal together for him Ben

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Peters attorney for the last 25 years

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and the national UFO Reporting Center

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also dr. Richard Haines the pilot

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reporting agency narc app and then their

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attorney since 99 I go back all the way

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to dr. James harder representing him

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back in the old days and I've heard that

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I've heard the name I'm not I don't know

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much about him but I have definitely

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heard the name mm-hmm well he was he was

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the lead scientist for a perl back in

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the 70s he was the first guy to get a

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hold of Travis Walton actually and do an

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actual investigation in it and hypnosis

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regression with the Travis initially

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after his 1975 sighting so yeah it goes

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back a long way

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of course I represent Grant Cameron with

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all these new breaking things that have

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been going on you know on the Wilson

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memo and the Santelli

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you know in an autopsy films all that

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stuff so uh I've been involved a long

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time and you know basically I'm way

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beyond the point of do aliens or UFOs

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exist we're trying to get down the

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bottom line of what what's behind the

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the issues and what's behind the big

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push for disclosure right now as we know

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in the mainstream industry media you

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know I've had a lot of people argue that

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point and they're saying there's been a

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softest disclosure for a long time and

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so what are you what are you sure you're

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come back from that that statement well

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you know you know grant Cameron would

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say that you know ever since he got into

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this thing about 40 years ago that there

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are these programs of soft disclosure

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they push something out they pull it

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back and then he pushed it out again and

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matter of fact a lot of the main players

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kind of morph from one organization to

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the other you know there was the Avery

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back in the old days then you know curse

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that means you know organization came

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along with Robert Bigelow and now the to

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the stars Academy it seems to be some of

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the same people involved throughout this

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whole disclosure process but I tell you

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what ever since that New York Times

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article December 16th 2017 came out it's

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up for some reason there was a massive

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agenda right now to red pill the public

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the issue of UFOs and eventually it's

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gonna have to be the issue of aliens as

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well so that's the fascinating thing and

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I have in my long career of over 40

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years studying this stuff pretty heavily

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I have never seen this push at this

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point on mainstream media on you know

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the History Channel all sorts of

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television series and movies coming out

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to actually get people up to speed on

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these strange paranormal issues that

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we're all gonna have to deal with if

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there's a huge paradigm shift happening

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and coming towards this you know one of

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the things up you know you mentioned

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aliens a couple of times there and the

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one thing that I've seen you know say

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for instance Lou Elizondo make

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quickly clear is that he doesn't want to

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use the word aliens it's just an unknown

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and are you actually thinking that I

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mean I like to hear other people's

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opinions but you have a your thought is

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that you think that it is actually

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aliens that we're seeing you know

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driving these crafts or there's all

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kinds of theories you do

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oh yeah no name you know the if if we've

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got our Top Gun pilots out there Luis

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Salazar doe Chris melon everybody in a

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tip for basically saying well we really

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don't know what these are but we can't

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do what they do you know there's no no

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chance out there that the Soviets of the

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Chinese or some advanced civilization on

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our own planet is creating these these

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crafts that can do these things so you

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know I basically I'm going towards the

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Verner von Braun you know prediction of

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the enemies out there that will be you

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know bracing our our borders here of

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course first was the Russians you know

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that was something that we needed to

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have during the Cold War and before and

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then of course it was the terrorists

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were the next issue that Verner von

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Braun brought up then of course the

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words rogue nations just you know

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various nations out there like you know

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North Korea whatever and the last one

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most notably was in the asteroids that

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was kind of fun well I remember when

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they were pushing those a few years back

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then of course the last false flag or

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you know enemy that we're gonna have to

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fight is the aliens so even though

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they're not talking about that you know

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on a tip and on an identified on the

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History Channel yet they sure did give

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you the impression that there is some

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threat out there and I think that's what

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they're gonna be heading towards

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national next is the evil alien agenda

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which we need to be very discerning

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about yeah you know there's there's a

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lot of skepticism when it comes to what

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it is in theories and you know I had a

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professor on here I don't know maybe

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three weeks ago that had a theory that

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it's actually us from the distant future

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you know coming back beat

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he had quite a background to wear he and

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he made quite a good case I'm not saying

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that I believed him any more than

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anything else but he actually made a

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really great case for time travel as

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what we're seeing you know and I think

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the reason you know I'm sure you know

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the reason the number one reason this

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comes up and different theories come up

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is because of the vast differences

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I mean distances I mean that you know

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any alien would have to travel to get

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here and of course that it may be

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figured they may figure out something in

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physics that we haven't thought of yet

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to get here you know that's a it's very

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possible but it's all fascinating but

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you know the way this the one thing I

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always wonder about if it is aliens and

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they are traveling here if they want to

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go back to where they're from how can

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they escape this time difference in

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other words you know when they come back

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there everyone they knew is gone and you

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know I mean maybe if they figured a way

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around that - I mean have you ever

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thought about that type of thing well

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yes I have it's a matter of fact you

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know this is real timely given the fact

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that there's some interesting details

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listed in the 15-page Admiral Wilson

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core secrets document there's a spot in

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that document where they are claiming

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basically at least commander her Admiral

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Wilson is telling - telling uh Eric

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Davis dr. Eric Davis was interviewing

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him in this memo he's telling him that

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they he was told they have an actual

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working craft a extraterrestrial craft

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that can travel through interstellar

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space through our atmosphere of course

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underwater he mentions in this memo and

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through dimensions this is a working

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craft that basically is being talked

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about by high government level JPL Joint

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Chiefs of Staff you know in charge of

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all the intelligence companies there you

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know divisions of all the military are

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talking about

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he is running across this information

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that these kinds of things transcend

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dimensions let alone time

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there's also a letter in this 15 page

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memo by commander will Miller who is

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it's being sent to dr. Davis who claims

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that there is a scientist that is

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working on time travel and he's got what

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they call the force theory of the

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universe and so I think time travel is

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very well it says something that they've

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talked about and probably someone has

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conquered already I don't know about us

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and go coming back from the future you

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know and being UFOs and trying to warn

543
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us of something or whatever like that

544
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:19,200
it's very interesting you would think

545
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:20,970
that if you're messing around with the

546
00:23:25,159 --> 00:23:23,850
past you can go back into the time and

547
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:25,169
want to mess around with the past or

548
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:27,120
tweak the past obviously there's

549
00:23:31,970 --> 00:23:29,760
multiple butterfly effects that could

550
00:23:34,490 --> 00:23:31,980
happen for your only future when you go

551
00:23:36,980 --> 00:23:34,500
back as well so you know I suppose I

552
00:23:38,090 --> 00:23:36,990
actually I brought that up during we

553
00:23:40,909 --> 00:23:38,100
have to go to a break here in just a

554
00:23:43,820 --> 00:23:40,919
couple minutes but I brought that up to

555
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:43,830
this gentleman this professor and he had

556
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:45,450
an answer for that too

557
00:23:50,539 --> 00:23:48,210
I think he basically said that no once

558
00:23:53,090 --> 00:23:50,549
something has happened it's it's

559
00:23:55,070 --> 00:23:53,100
happened and where you are in the world

560
00:23:59,270 --> 00:23:55,080
you're in or whatever and you can't

561
00:24:01,520 --> 00:23:59,280
change that which I don't know if one

562
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:01,530
thing I didn't think to ask him is if

563
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:04,530
that was the case then why would they

564
00:24:09,740 --> 00:24:08,010
bother coming back and saying be good to

565
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:09,750
your world you know don't pollute and

566
00:24:13,460 --> 00:24:11,250
whatever it is they're saying don't

567
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:13,470
destroy the planet if nothing changes in

568
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:16,559
their world you know I mean good point

569
00:24:25,370 --> 00:24:21,330
yeah all these paradoxes you know it's

570
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:25,380
exactly it's really fascinating and so

571
00:24:32,779 --> 00:24:29,730
it's what you mentioned about these the

572
00:24:35,299 --> 00:24:32,789
government officials and this craft that

573
00:24:39,380 --> 00:24:35,309
they're you know I think it's a the Navy

574
00:24:42,830 --> 00:24:39,390
patent but it these are all theories at

575
00:24:45,919 --> 00:24:42,840
this point isn't that right well if you

576
00:24:48,590 --> 00:24:45,929
read the 15 pages of that Wilson memo

577
00:24:50,360 --> 00:24:48,600
which I encourage everyone did you you

578
00:24:51,790 --> 00:24:50,370
know you can go to you can go to Twitter

579
00:24:53,770 --> 00:24:51,800
and download it

580
00:24:57,940 --> 00:24:53,780
you can load it anywhere if you just

581
00:25:00,610 --> 00:24:57,950
google the term admiral wilson UFO memo

582
00:25:03,550 --> 00:25:00,620
or core secrets memo everyone should

583
00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:03,560
read it it's very detailed and you know

584
00:25:09,490 --> 00:25:07,130
the documents or the the things that

585
00:25:11,950 --> 00:25:09,500
they're talking about in that specific

586
00:25:14,740 --> 00:25:11,960
part about a working craft is not a

587
00:25:16,270 --> 00:25:14,750
theory he stopped talking about that

588
00:25:17,710 --> 00:25:16,280
they have a theory that these things

589
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:17,720
could work

590
00:25:23,470 --> 00:25:20,930
Admiral Wilson is telling dr. Eric Davis

591
00:25:25,510 --> 00:25:23,480
that his understanding is that they have

592
00:25:28,030 --> 00:25:25,520
a working craft that can do these things

593
00:25:31,420 --> 00:25:28,040
so there's a whole lot of interesting

594
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:31,430
things than that memo that most people

595
00:25:35,110 --> 00:25:33,170
don't really have the opportunity to get

596
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:35,120
into the details of it because it is

597
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:38,330
it's 15 pages long it's mostly single

598
00:25:45,010 --> 00:25:41,360
spaced and it names dates and times and

599
00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:45,020
programs that are being run yeah

600
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:47,120
unaccountably run by the way no

601
00:25:51,790 --> 00:25:49,210
government or military oversight by

602
00:25:53,830 --> 00:25:51,800
civilian subcontractors they work for

603
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:53,840
the government so I would encourage

604
00:25:58,510 --> 00:25:55,610
everyone to get into details of that

605
00:26:00,460 --> 00:25:58,520
okay and I do want to I do want to when

606
00:26:02,380 --> 00:26:00,470
we when we come back from this break I

607
00:26:05,620 --> 00:26:02,390
do want to point out a couple of

608
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:05,630
arguments for that also but let's go

609
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:07,850
into break right now this is Martin

610
00:26:13,270 --> 00:26:11,330
Willis and my guest tonight is Michael

611
00:26:15,450 --> 00:26:13,280
hall and we'll be right back right after

612
00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:15,460
these messages

613
00:26:20,110 --> 00:26:18,080
clear three minutes gentlemen three

614
00:26:23,020 --> 00:26:20,120
minutes okay thank you so we're still

615
00:26:25,570 --> 00:26:23,030
live is still live on YouTube and so I

616
00:26:30,100 --> 00:26:25,580
just get just gonna start the timer

617
00:26:32,950 --> 00:26:30,110
right here so I know we'll probably get

618
00:26:37,300 --> 00:26:32,960
back into this you know when you and I

619
00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:37,310
are going back on the Regular Show but I

620
00:26:44,110 --> 00:26:40,960
did want to ask you about the amount of

621
00:26:46,510 --> 00:26:44,120
sightings out in Washington now I know

622
00:26:48,910 --> 00:26:46,520
of course you know 1947 the very famous

623
00:26:52,030 --> 00:26:48,920
starting out out there was a Mount

624
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:52,040
Rainier I believe yeah and actually we

625
00:26:58,090 --> 00:26:54,970
had even one before then there was the

626
00:27:00,280 --> 00:26:58,100
modern-day UFO think two weeks before

627
00:27:02,830 --> 00:27:00,290
Mount Rainier there was Laurie island

628
00:27:04,790 --> 00:27:02,840
okay yeah but that do that that's been

629
00:27:09,170 --> 00:27:04,800
pretty much proven a hoax I believe

630
00:27:11,180 --> 00:27:09,180
nope it wasn't it was actually proven

631
00:27:13,310 --> 00:27:11,190
that the guy said it was a hoax to get

632
00:27:16,580 --> 00:27:13,320
everybody off his back there's so many

633
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:16,590
people involved with that thing that the

634
00:27:21,260 --> 00:27:18,690
the issue with matter fact I I know the

635
00:27:23,870 --> 00:27:21,270
the two guys that put together the

636
00:27:25,310 --> 00:27:23,880
Laurie Island incident film one of them

637
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:25,320
is an attorney friend of mine Steve

638
00:27:30,500 --> 00:27:28,890
Edmondson and Scott Shafer really good

639
00:27:32,300 --> 00:27:30,510
researchers and stuff and they come up

640
00:27:34,190 --> 00:27:32,310
with the whole scenario how that thing

641
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:34,200
happened and this guy's life was just

642
00:27:38,780 --> 00:27:36,480
ripped to shreds by the first men and

643
00:27:40,340 --> 00:27:38,790
black by the way that showed up you know

644
00:27:42,290 --> 00:27:40,350
and threatened him and his family and

645
00:27:44,150 --> 00:27:42,300
his son actually disappeared for two

646
00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:44,160
weeks kidnapped his son his

647
00:27:49,820 --> 00:27:47,130
fourteen-year-old kid so he can imagine

648
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:49,830
why he was pretty much done with the

649
00:27:55,250 --> 00:27:53,010
thing after the initial sighting he eats

650
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:55,260
and whatever they want him to say well I

651
00:27:59,600 --> 00:27:57,930
will I'm gonna have you school me a

652
00:28:01,550 --> 00:27:59,610
little bit more on that we'll

653
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:01,560
communicate through email but I'd like

654
00:28:09,290 --> 00:28:04,770
to know more of why you think that's you

655
00:28:12,170 --> 00:28:09,300
know that that really happened with it's

656
00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:12,180
so confusing isn't it to know sometimes

657
00:28:18,140 --> 00:28:14,370
when I think a case is really solid then

658
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:18,150
I find out whoops you know and there

659
00:28:22,250 --> 00:28:21,120
yeah so it's it's really hard

660
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:22,260
so that's the whole thing with the

661
00:28:27,620 --> 00:28:24,960
Santilli alien autopsy film coming back

662
00:28:30,110 --> 00:28:27,630
and you know come and do the fro right

663
00:28:32,510 --> 00:28:30,120
now this is just nuts you know some of

664
00:28:34,910 --> 00:28:32,520
those things uh have been recycled and

665
00:28:36,620 --> 00:28:34,920
recycled and we get more and more or

666
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:36,630
maybe less and less information you

667
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:38,210
never know every time they come out

668
00:28:44,210 --> 00:28:41,450
isn't this just we only have a few

669
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:44,220
seconds here left but isn't this just a

670
00:28:47,660 --> 00:28:46,080
way for Santilli to make a little more

671
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:47,670
money I mean this is what I would think

672
00:28:52,910 --> 00:28:50,730
right off the bat well I would think so

673
00:28:55,070 --> 00:28:52,920
but I have another theory on that about

674
00:28:57,860 --> 00:28:55,080
you know there were people that saw a

675
00:29:01,280 --> 00:28:57,870
very similar alien autopsy film earlier

676
00:29:03,170 --> 00:29:01,290
than 1995 when he created his I think

677
00:29:05,540 --> 00:29:03,180
the Santilli film was maybe a

678
00:29:07,910 --> 00:29:05,550
disinformation kind of like a bob em

679
00:29:11,420 --> 00:29:07,920
inator problem where they would show

680
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:11,430
something being a hoax just to kind of

681
00:29:17,529 --> 00:29:14,970
you know muddy the waters on people who

682
00:29:20,349 --> 00:29:17,539
actually saw some real footage early

683
00:29:22,810 --> 00:29:20,359
in 1995 so that's a fascinating story

684
00:29:25,629 --> 00:29:22,820
that we're involved with crabhammer is

685
00:29:26,499 --> 00:29:25,639
now about 20 seconds gentlemen okay 20

686
00:29:29,259 --> 00:29:26,509
seconds that's good

687
00:29:30,849 --> 00:29:29,269
thank you yeah so we'll go back and

688
00:29:35,229 --> 00:29:30,859
we'll jump right back to where we were

689
00:29:38,139 --> 00:29:35,239
on this Wilson UFO document here when

690
00:29:41,049 --> 00:29:38,149
when bill brings us back on all right

691
00:29:42,239 --> 00:29:41,059
ready here bill whenever you are all

692
00:29:48,719 --> 00:29:42,249
right I'll count you're back in the sec

693
00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:48,729
all right stand by in three two one go

694
00:29:53,499 --> 00:29:51,289
all right welcome back my guest is

695
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:53,509
Michael hall and right before the break

696
00:29:58,629 --> 00:29:56,450
we were talking about the Wilson UFO

697
00:30:00,940 --> 00:29:58,639
memo the leaked they call it the leaked

698
00:30:03,070 --> 00:30:00,950
memo and all that and and I said I was

699
00:30:05,619 --> 00:30:03,080
gonna argue no I don't mean really argue

700
00:30:07,419 --> 00:30:05,629
but you know discuss some of the things

701
00:30:11,229 --> 00:30:07,429
that I've heard about this in particular

702
00:30:13,210 --> 00:30:11,239
one of them is I know that Wilson

703
00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:13,220
himself was called and he denied it you

704
00:30:17,139 --> 00:30:15,289
know and I know of course you know that

705
00:30:20,019 --> 00:30:17,149
that's a possibility of someone denying

706
00:30:22,269 --> 00:30:20,029
something even if it's real or not so I

707
00:30:24,940 --> 00:30:22,279
don't know how much credence that gives

708
00:30:27,339 --> 00:30:24,950
but also there's some question on the

709
00:30:29,379 --> 00:30:27,349
letterhead what can you say about the

710
00:30:30,669 --> 00:30:29,389
letterhead was not correct what do you

711
00:30:31,379 --> 00:30:30,679
think that what's your thoughts about

712
00:30:37,690 --> 00:30:31,389
that

713
00:30:40,690 --> 00:30:37,700
you're referring to is the commander

714
00:30:44,649 --> 00:30:40,700
Willard Miller wrote a letter to dr.

715
00:30:46,629 --> 00:30:44,659
Eric Davis and kind of inquired as to

716
00:30:49,509 --> 00:30:46,639
whether they would want to have some

717
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:49,519
contacts that they were looking for and

718
00:30:56,619 --> 00:30:53,090
about alien retrieved alien and

719
00:30:59,289 --> 00:30:56,629
back-engineering alien hardware and so

720
00:31:02,440 --> 00:30:59,299
in that letter he uses the kind of like

721
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:02,450
a letterhead that looks to be like some

722
00:31:07,859 --> 00:31:05,090
kind of an eagle with you know a banner

723
00:31:09,820 --> 00:31:07,869
around it or something the basic

724
00:31:12,810 --> 00:31:09,830
explanation of why people don't

725
00:31:15,570 --> 00:31:12,820
recognize that it's because supposedly

726
00:31:18,339 --> 00:31:15,580
commander Miller was retired at the time

727
00:31:21,339 --> 00:31:18,349
and was just basically using a personal

728
00:31:25,019 --> 00:31:21,349
letterhead that he put together you know

729
00:31:27,460 --> 00:31:25,029
to send out letters other people in

730
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:27,470
including dr. Steven Greer by the way

731
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:31,290
who was at this initial briefing of

732
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:34,170
Wilson in 1997 along with Edgar Mitchell

733
00:31:39,950 --> 00:31:37,530
and Willard Miller Steven Greer says

734
00:31:43,220 --> 00:31:39,960
that that's a letterhead he recognizes

735
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:43,230
himself from the retired Willard Miller

736
00:31:49,810 --> 00:31:48,210
so that's kind of been you know put the

737
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:49,820
bed in that with guard it's not an

738
00:31:54,890 --> 00:31:54,210
actual government agency that's on that

739
00:31:59,180 --> 00:31:54,900
letter yet

740
00:32:03,410 --> 00:31:59,190
and what about Davis his reaction to the

741
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:03,420
to this whole document well you know

742
00:32:08,780 --> 00:32:06,240
it's very very interesting because when

743
00:32:11,270 --> 00:32:08,790
you're talking about the definition of a

744
00:32:13,100 --> 00:32:11,280
core secret and you put that in quotes

745
00:32:18,580 --> 00:32:13,110
when you're talking about something that

746
00:32:20,930 --> 00:32:18,590
is a military program or any kind of a

747
00:32:23,170 --> 00:32:20,940
thing that the military is working on

748
00:32:26,750 --> 00:32:23,180
when they designated the core secret

749
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:26,760
even the denial or the no comment

750
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:30,330
regarding that subject can be a security

751
00:32:34,910 --> 00:32:32,850
breach so basically the idea that if

752
00:32:38,390 --> 00:32:34,920
it's a core secret you can't even really

753
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:38,400
acknowledge it so the what what happened

754
00:32:44,450 --> 00:32:41,730
with them with Eric Davis and he'll put

755
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:44,460
off by the way both of them responded to

756
00:32:51,860 --> 00:32:48,080
inquiries about whether this memo and

757
00:32:56,180 --> 00:32:51,870
and the Willard Miller letter were true

758
00:33:00,020 --> 00:32:56,190
and correct they both went on at length

759
00:33:01,850 --> 00:33:00,030
basically that said no comment but they

760
00:33:04,220 --> 00:33:01,860
didn't say just no comment anyone said

761
00:33:06,260 --> 00:33:04,230
you know because of our security

762
00:33:09,050 --> 00:33:06,270
clearances that we some of us still have

763
00:33:11,870 --> 00:33:09,060
and they're talking about how put off

764
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:11,880
and dr. Eric Davis and some of the other

765
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:13,530
people that are involved in the mids

766
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:16,410
organization currently because of their

767
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:19,890
current you know classifications and

768
00:33:24,620 --> 00:33:21,570
clearances that they have they can't

769
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:24,630
even comment on this thing so they

770
00:33:29,170 --> 00:33:26,970
couldn't come out and say vociferously

771
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:29,180
they're denying that this is a fake but

772
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:32,130
they had to explain that in quite a few

773
00:33:36,350 --> 00:33:33,690
words that they were just basically

774
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:36,360
giving no comment so you're saying that

775
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:38,010
they actually denied that this thing is

776
00:33:43,220 --> 00:33:40,290
a fake and in a roundabout way is ever

777
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:43,230
true well some people are claiming that

778
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:44,970
the fact that they didn't come out vote

779
00:33:49,370 --> 00:33:46,970
sipper sley denying that this was a hoax

780
00:33:51,289 --> 00:33:49,380
you know gives some kind of agreements

781
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:51,299
to these things being potentially

782
00:33:56,799 --> 00:33:53,970
through and correct but in reality if

783
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:56,809
you're actually looking at a classified

784
00:34:02,930 --> 00:34:00,000
unacknowledged special access program

785
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:02,940
that's a core secret you can't even deny

786
00:34:08,750 --> 00:34:06,090
or you know get into the details of

787
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:08,760
something being false and not

788
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:12,000
representing a real program so but

789
00:34:17,899 --> 00:34:15,690
they're craftily denying it in in more

790
00:34:21,470 --> 00:34:17,909
than a few words which kind of throws a

791
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:21,480
red flag up for some folks I see now I

792
00:34:28,220 --> 00:34:25,050
heard that an Australian UFO researcher

793
00:34:31,730 --> 00:34:28,230
had this document for say ten years or

794
00:34:34,580 --> 00:34:31,740
something like that prior I wouldn't say

795
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:34,590
it was that long no matter of fact Edgar

796
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:36,480
Mitchell passed away what is it ninety

797
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:38,570
no or I believe

798
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:42,090
edho no that was just a year just I'm

799
00:34:47,389 --> 00:34:44,010
sorry years ago just a couple of years

800
00:34:49,790 --> 00:34:47,399
ago so yeah it was basically the the

801
00:34:52,669 --> 00:34:49,800
theory is these documents came from dr.

802
00:34:56,750 --> 00:34:52,679
Edgar Mitchell says date basically I

803
00:34:58,700 --> 00:34:56,760
understand it is his heirs his family

804
00:35:01,339 --> 00:34:58,710
didn't really care about some of these

805
00:35:04,150 --> 00:35:01,349
issues that he had you know put together

806
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:04,160
and banker boxes worth of material so

807
00:35:09,620 --> 00:35:07,680
one of the individuals that knew Edgar

808
00:35:13,010 --> 00:35:09,630
mature Mitchell got to hold of these

809
00:35:14,930 --> 00:35:13,020
boxes and documents and then the

810
00:35:19,329 --> 00:35:14,940
gentlemen that you're talking about from

811
00:35:21,940 --> 00:35:19,339
Australia by the name of James Rigney

812
00:35:24,380 --> 00:35:21,950
actually got a hold of one of these

813
00:35:27,790 --> 00:35:24,390
boxes of documents that was able to go

814
00:35:31,250 --> 00:35:27,800
through it found the 15 page memo and

815
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:31,260
knew that this was quite important so

816
00:35:36,859 --> 00:35:34,560
basically in November of 2018 just last

817
00:35:39,650 --> 00:35:36,869
year he actually gave it to Grant

818
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:39,660
Cameron and grant Cameron when he found

819
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:42,450
it there when he thought basically told

820
00:35:47,060 --> 00:35:45,210
me that he went his face went ashen he

821
00:35:49,730 --> 00:35:47,070
couldn't believe the people on the first

822
00:35:51,740 --> 00:35:49,740
page of this document noting the names

823
00:35:52,130 --> 00:35:51,750
and the details that are mentioned on

824
00:35:54,859 --> 00:35:52,140
there

825
00:35:57,980 --> 00:35:54,869
Grant said this was the most important

826
00:36:00,440 --> 00:35:57,990
document he has ever seen in ufology

827
00:36:03,530 --> 00:36:00,450
and of course Richard Golan has called

828
00:36:05,930 --> 00:36:03,540
it the smoking gun UFO memo of this

829
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:05,940
century so that's how important this

830
00:36:14,089 --> 00:36:10,170
document was so since 2018 and then

831
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:14,099
grant got a hold of me in 2019 because

832
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:15,570
he needed to figure out how what are we

833
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:18,000
gonna do with this document what does he

834
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:21,210
have as far as liability to you know

835
00:36:26,829 --> 00:36:23,520
release this kind of a document to the

836
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:26,839
public and eventually what we did in

837
00:36:31,010 --> 00:36:28,530
2000

838
00:36:34,030 --> 00:36:31,020
January so we actually formed a

839
00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:34,040
disclosure trust that I've created for

840
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:36,240
whistleblowers specifically to put

841
00:36:42,500 --> 00:36:38,640
documents and artifacts and various

842
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:42,510
things into estate planning entity that

843
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:45,450
they can control the access and the

844
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:47,130
dissemination of just in case something

845
00:36:53,230 --> 00:36:49,050
happened to grant in the interim

846
00:36:55,849 --> 00:36:53,240
then of course what happened in in June

847
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:55,859
7th of on Twitter was the thing got

848
00:37:00,680 --> 00:36:57,930
actually released not by grant Cameron

849
00:37:02,900 --> 00:37:00,690
or myself but actually an anonymous

850
00:37:06,020 --> 00:37:02,910
source released the document now

851
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:06,030
everybody knows about it and has gone

852
00:37:09,829 --> 00:37:08,400
through it with a fine-tooth comb all

853
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:09,839
right when you say it was released

854
00:37:14,990 --> 00:37:13,410
anonymously is that is that was it by a

855
00:37:17,810 --> 00:37:15,000
tweet is this how this thing was

856
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:17,820
released and then linked as I mean can't

857
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:19,650
someone search this out and figure out

858
00:37:23,359 --> 00:37:23,010
who it is that released it yeah good

859
00:37:25,460 --> 00:37:23,369
point

860
00:37:28,220 --> 00:37:25,470
because you would think that you know

861
00:37:30,980 --> 00:37:28,230
the really hotshot computer hackers out

862
00:37:32,990 --> 00:37:30,990
there can break to price this down and

863
00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:33,000
figure out where it came from so far no

864
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:36,720
one's been able to do that basically it

865
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:40,770
came from a site called anger I am gee

866
00:37:46,609 --> 00:37:43,410
you are it was posted there initially

867
00:37:49,250 --> 00:37:46,619
and Asli was posted on reddit prior to

868
00:37:51,079 --> 00:37:49,260
that once back I understand it was on

869
00:37:56,329 --> 00:37:51,089
reddit and it was ignored

870
00:37:59,000 --> 00:37:56,339
I understood yeah but in June June 7

871
00:38:01,790 --> 00:37:59,010
June 6th actually it was actually posted

872
00:38:04,599 --> 00:38:01,800
again on Twitter which you know

873
00:38:07,099 --> 00:38:04,609
basically hit at the mainstream big time

874
00:38:08,780 --> 00:38:07,109
okay well this there's a lot of people

875
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:08,790
that are saying that this is just a fake

876
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:11,520
document there's nothing to it there's

877
00:38:16,010 --> 00:38:13,890
people saying that even if it's real

878
00:38:20,060 --> 00:38:16,020
it's not that big of a deal what's your

879
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:20,070
thoughts about those comments well you

880
00:38:25,330 --> 00:38:22,170
know that my comment would be that if

881
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:25,340
this was a major disinformation program

882
00:38:30,830 --> 00:38:28,290
you know basically if if the government

883
00:38:32,660 --> 00:38:30,840
for instance was looking to muddy the

884
00:38:35,050 --> 00:38:32,670
water with some kind of a document that

885
00:38:37,460 --> 00:38:35,060
would eventually be proven to be false

886
00:38:39,650 --> 00:38:37,470
if I was in charge of that kind of a

887
00:38:43,580 --> 00:38:39,660
disinformation program I sure would not

888
00:38:46,190 --> 00:38:43,590
come up with a 15 page transcript or

889
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:46,200
memo whatever you want to call it with

890
00:38:51,500 --> 00:38:48,240
all the names of people who are living

891
00:38:53,900 --> 00:38:51,510
by the way some of them passed away but

892
00:38:57,050 --> 00:38:53,910
a lot of them are still living and

893
00:38:59,260 --> 00:38:57,060
programs that could be crossed check and

894
00:39:02,750 --> 00:38:59,270
make sure that they were still alive

895
00:39:04,610 --> 00:39:02,760
available and and working in dates and

896
00:39:06,350 --> 00:39:04,620
times I would not do that and it's a

897
00:39:08,780 --> 00:39:06,360
detail if I was gonna make a

898
00:39:10,700 --> 00:39:08,790
disinformation campaign it might be you

899
00:39:12,740 --> 00:39:10,710
know a couple three pages long and I'd

900
00:39:14,900 --> 00:39:12,750
pick maybe two or three names that I

901
00:39:16,610 --> 00:39:14,910
could definitely control you know

902
00:39:19,100 --> 00:39:16,620
whether they would come out and say

903
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:19,110
that's a hoax or whatever but I'll tell

904
00:39:25,310 --> 00:39:22,370
you what there are so many Pentagon and

905
00:39:27,650 --> 00:39:25,320
you know government officials that are

906
00:39:30,050 --> 00:39:27,660
named this document that can be searched

907
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:30,060
out and and determined that they're

908
00:39:34,670 --> 00:39:31,920
actually in the position that they're

909
00:39:37,310 --> 00:39:34,680
talked about being in during this memo

910
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:37,320
there is also many other organizations

911
00:39:44,090 --> 00:39:41,490
like the people at mids like dr. Steven

912
00:39:46,100 --> 00:39:44,100
Greer and Edgar Mitchell there are

913
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:46,110
remote viewers that are named there's

914
00:39:52,450 --> 00:39:48,810
even an another attorney that's named in

915
00:39:54,830 --> 00:39:52,460
this document this 15 page memo that has

916
00:39:57,050 --> 00:39:54,840
represented one of the remote viewers in

917
00:39:59,120 --> 00:39:57,060
the past boy I'll tell you what I have

918
00:40:00,920 --> 00:39:59,130
got many phone calls and emails into

919
00:40:03,230 --> 00:40:00,930
that gentleman I'd like to be able to

920
00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:03,240
talk with him personally myself you know

921
00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:05,520
I just to see what he would know about

922
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:08,240
the details that are in this memo itself

923
00:40:14,180 --> 00:40:11,760
even a doctor I mean Willard Miller

924
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:14,190
commander Willard Miller who has now

925
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:16,170
come out and said that you know this

926
00:40:20,990 --> 00:40:18,690
document is at least his letter part of

927
00:40:24,170 --> 00:40:21,000
the document looks to be a cut-and-paste

928
00:40:24,910 --> 00:40:24,180
yeah of something that he might have

929
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:24,920
written or

930
00:40:30,130 --> 00:40:28,130
written I basically have confirmed

931
00:40:32,830 --> 00:40:30,140
through some of the other researchers

932
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:32,840
out there that he actually remembers

933
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:34,370
that he wrote some of that and

934
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:36,050
specifically he's talking about the

935
00:40:41,980 --> 00:40:38,930
initial paragraph of his letter where

936
00:40:44,410 --> 00:40:41,990
he's he's inviting he'll put off and dr.

937
00:40:46,750 --> 00:40:44,420
Davis to a scientific meeting in

938
00:40:48,660 --> 00:40:46,760
Tallahassee Florida to meet another

939
00:40:51,370 --> 00:40:48,670
scientist working on this time-travel

940
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:51,380
you know in dimensional you know issues

941
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:53,410
and stuff so he remembers writing that

942
00:40:58,930 --> 00:40:56,240
he remembers and actually the date and

943
00:41:01,120 --> 00:40:58,940
the time and the address on the letter

944
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:01,130
is his home address that's been

945
00:41:05,950 --> 00:41:04,160
confirmed as well but some of the other

946
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:05,960
things in the memo where they're saying

947
00:41:09,130 --> 00:41:07,850
that you know if you want to get a hold

948
00:41:10,810 --> 00:41:09,140
of some of these people that are

949
00:41:14,020 --> 00:41:10,820
involved in the reverse engineering

950
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:14,030
programs that the government has willard

951
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:15,410
mellon are saying that he can hook up

952
00:41:21,070 --> 00:41:18,530
you know davis and put off to those

953
00:41:23,980 --> 00:41:21,080
folks as well as a bunch of other

954
00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:23,990
programs out there that you know there

955
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:25,760
was sightings at east coast in the

956
00:41:30,370 --> 00:41:27,770
united states that he was talking about

957
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:30,380
he could hook up with some flag rank

958
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:31,850
officers and they would know all about

959
00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:34,880
that so it seems to me that there are

960
00:41:41,290 --> 00:41:38,000
some very if i ever had an opportunity

961
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:41,300
to cross-examine a witness that was

962
00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:44,090
suppose the written a letter like like

963
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:46,640
commander willard miller did i would ask

964
00:41:51,340 --> 00:41:48,170
him what parts of this letter do you

965
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:51,350
remember you know and then find out well

966
00:41:54,910 --> 00:41:53,450
what parts are there's something you

967
00:41:56,820 --> 00:41:54,920
don't remember and why don't you

968
00:41:59,350 --> 00:41:56,830
remember those things so very

969
00:42:03,990 --> 00:41:59,360
fascinating detail in this document and

970
00:42:08,110 --> 00:42:04,000
when was the date of that that document

971
00:42:13,630 --> 00:42:08,120
this document was created in October on

972
00:42:16,300 --> 00:42:13,640
October 16th of 2002 when dr. Eric Davis

973
00:42:21,490 --> 00:42:16,310
was able to get a meeting with Vice

974
00:42:24,340 --> 00:42:21,500
Admiral Thomas Ray Wilson in and he met

975
00:42:26,260 --> 00:42:24,350
in the Admirals staff car the backseat

976
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:26,270
of the staff car behind the EG&G

977
00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:29,450
building in Las Vegas Nevada on that day

978
00:42:35,050 --> 00:42:32,960
and Eric Davis basically as far as I can

979
00:42:37,390 --> 00:42:35,060
see had some kind of a recording device

980
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:37,400
recording all the details

981
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:39,890
of their conversations for an hour and

982
00:42:46,260 --> 00:42:42,770
ten minutes that's the only explanation

983
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:46,270
I can see of how detailed this memo is I

984
00:42:51,790 --> 00:42:48,530
wouldn't think that someone from their

985
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:51,800
own memory could reconstruct the actual

986
00:42:58,770 --> 00:42:54,970
dialogue that he did does in this memo

987
00:43:03,880 --> 00:42:58,780
and basically it is the recollections of

988
00:43:07,300 --> 00:43:03,890
Admiral Wilson being shut down in 1997

989
00:43:10,810 --> 00:43:07,310
from access to a reverse engineering

990
00:43:14,050 --> 00:43:10,820
program by a government civilian

991
00:43:17,410 --> 00:43:14,060
contractor who would not allow him to

992
00:43:19,150 --> 00:43:17,420
have access as j2 Joint Chiefs of Staff

993
00:43:21,550 --> 00:43:19,160
second-in-command

994
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:21,560
who's in charge of all the as

995
00:43:27,970 --> 00:43:24,610
subcontractors and all the military

996
00:43:29,950 --> 00:43:27,980
intelligence departments they said he

997
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:29,960
did not have a need to know what their

998
00:43:34,300 --> 00:43:32,090
program was about eventually they told

999
00:43:38,170 --> 00:43:34,310
him and confirmed that they were a

1000
00:43:41,250 --> 00:43:38,180
reverse engineering program Oh alien

1001
00:43:44,650 --> 00:43:41,260
technology that was not in this world

1002
00:43:46,750 --> 00:43:44,660
fascinating stuff Wow and this you know

1003
00:43:49,090 --> 00:43:46,760
a lot of this sort of rings of the mj-12

1004
00:43:52,060 --> 00:43:49,100
documents you know and it's a very

1005
00:43:54,010 --> 00:43:52,070
similar very similar in a lot a lot of

1006
00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:54,020
different ways and you know there's it's

1007
00:43:59,200 --> 00:43:57,680
gonna be awful hard to convince I think

1008
00:44:01,960 --> 00:43:59,210
to commence everyone in the UFO

1009
00:44:05,290 --> 00:44:01,970
community that this thing is a hundred

1010
00:44:08,380 --> 00:44:05,300
percent right or even if it's you know

1011
00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:08,390
partially right there's that would that

1012
00:44:13,660 --> 00:44:10,160
would kind of throw up a lot of red

1013
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:13,670
flags and and you know he's saying he

1014
00:44:17,230 --> 00:44:15,410
remembers part of it well that's

1015
00:44:19,660 --> 00:44:17,240
interesting but it would really you know

1016
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:19,670
like you said if you could bring this

1017
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:22,130
person into court and and and you know

1018
00:44:25,450 --> 00:44:23,810
have them testify about it you know

1019
00:44:27,790 --> 00:44:25,460
maybe you'd get some more information

1020
00:44:30,580 --> 00:44:27,800
have you actually have you actually

1021
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:30,590
yourself try to get more information on

1022
00:44:37,930 --> 00:44:34,640
this document by making contacts oh yes

1023
00:44:39,970 --> 00:44:37,940
for sure and not just myself but there's

1024
00:44:42,340 --> 00:44:39,980
a you know a lot of the young guns out

1025
00:44:44,170 --> 00:44:42,350
there as well you know Frank stalter and

1026
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:44,180
Jan Hannah and all those folks that are

1027
00:44:48,930 --> 00:44:46,850
out there doing their best to dig deep

1028
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:48,940
and find out

1029
00:44:53,790 --> 00:44:51,490
the veracity or the falsity of this

1030
00:44:55,980 --> 00:44:53,800
document there's a very interesting

1031
00:44:58,650 --> 00:44:55,990
thing that mention is mentioned on the

1032
00:45:00,420 --> 00:44:58,660
last page in this 15 page memo by the

1033
00:45:02,970 --> 00:45:00,430
way that you brought up a very

1034
00:45:05,250 --> 00:45:02,980
interesting point that indeed there

1035
00:45:07,590 --> 00:45:05,260
could be some disinformation in this

1036
00:45:10,260 --> 00:45:07,600
document itself because there's a

1037
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:10,270
gentleman by the name of Jacque Gansler

1038
00:45:16,650 --> 00:45:14,290
who is a friend of Admiral Wilson who

1039
00:45:20,010 --> 00:45:16,660
met meets him it's a Pentagon after this

1040
00:45:23,100 --> 00:45:20,020
whole fiasco happens and Admiral Wilson

1041
00:45:25,470 --> 00:45:23,110
is asked to step down stand down and not

1042
00:45:28,130 --> 00:45:25,480
pursue this anymore else he's gonna lose

1043
00:45:29,300 --> 00:45:28,140
a couple stars and be retired early

1044
00:45:33,300 --> 00:45:29,310
Kanzler

1045
00:45:36,510 --> 00:45:33,310
himself a Pentagon official yeah at the

1046
00:45:38,970 --> 00:45:36,520
DoD hold had mer Wilson that you know

1047
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:38,980
yeah UFOs exist they're talking

1048
00:45:45,330 --> 00:45:42,010
informally but alien abductions don't

1049
00:45:47,310 --> 00:45:45,340
exist that is an interesting twist at

1050
00:45:49,710 --> 00:45:47,320
the end of the document it really throws

1051
00:45:52,770 --> 00:45:49,720
a kink into things for the UFO community

1052
00:45:56,190 --> 00:45:52,780
and you wonder what that information was

1053
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:56,200
in there for well that is that is

1054
00:46:00,690 --> 00:45:57,970
interesting we have about nine minutes

1055
00:46:03,390 --> 00:46:00,700
to go to the last break we have in the

1056
00:46:05,820 --> 00:46:03,400
show and so for the person lazy like

1057
00:46:07,620 --> 00:46:05,830
myself out there that I just skimmed

1058
00:46:09,690 --> 00:46:07,630
through it a little bit can you give

1059
00:46:13,290 --> 00:46:09,700
some of the highlights and why you think

1060
00:46:16,110 --> 00:46:13,300
it's really important yeah for sure

1061
00:46:18,870 --> 00:46:16,120
by the way Martin nyah I realize that it

1062
00:46:21,090 --> 00:46:18,880
is a lot to to take him because I've had

1063
00:46:23,700 --> 00:46:21,100
this document under my perusal for over

1064
00:46:26,370 --> 00:46:23,710
six months and I've gone through all the

1065
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:26,380
dates and details and organizations to

1066
00:46:31,740 --> 00:46:29,050
you know let them so what I'm going to

1067
00:46:34,140 --> 00:46:31,750
do is I'm writing a what I call an

1068
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:34,150
executive summary of this entire memo

1069
00:46:38,580 --> 00:46:36,490
that will be available for people to

1070
00:46:40,110 --> 00:46:38,590
really just kind of get a flow of the

1071
00:46:42,750 --> 00:46:40,120
things so that should be a little easier

1072
00:46:45,990 --> 00:46:42,760
some folks to handle that will be up on

1073
00:46:48,300 --> 00:46:46,000
the UFO i-team face book page very

1074
00:46:51,540 --> 00:46:48,310
shortly and on YouTube as well I'll give

1075
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:51,550
you a copy for sure but there are so

1076
00:46:57,630 --> 00:46:54,400
many things in this document that seem

1077
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:57,640
to ring true including the basic idea

1078
00:47:02,359 --> 00:47:00,000
that mj-12 existed

1079
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:02,369
they are talking about the fact that

1080
00:47:08,030 --> 00:47:05,490
Admiral Wilson got confirmation from

1081
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:08,040
various people in the Pentagon and these

1082
00:47:15,290 --> 00:47:12,210
subcontractors that a group that was

1083
00:47:17,210 --> 00:47:15,300
either called mj-12 or the Cabal or

1084
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:17,220
anything like that that was in charge of

1085
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:23,010
alien crashed craft actually existed so

1086
00:47:27,050 --> 00:47:24,930
that was something that the Admiral was

1087
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:27,060
saying that he found out in this thing

1088
00:47:31,609 --> 00:47:29,280
matter of fact when he called these

1089
00:47:34,370 --> 00:47:31,619
subcontractors to finally confront them

1090
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:34,380
with what they they knew and why he

1091
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:38,090
didn't get briefed about the situation

1092
00:47:43,099 --> 00:47:40,650
they actually started spilling the beans

1093
00:47:45,260 --> 00:47:43,109
a little bit about what was going on and

1094
00:47:47,330 --> 00:47:45,270
they couldn't only go so far

1095
00:47:52,010 --> 00:47:47,340
and then they said it's a core secret

1096
00:47:55,250 --> 00:47:52,020
Admiral we can't tell you interesting so

1097
00:47:57,740 --> 00:47:55,260
and what are some other things that came

1098
00:48:01,550 --> 00:47:57,750
up and say the conversations with Eric

1099
00:48:03,620 --> 00:48:01,560
Davis and that part of it that were you

1100
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:03,630
know that the listener interested in

1101
00:48:09,290 --> 00:48:07,200
UFOs would like to hear well you know

1102
00:48:13,550 --> 00:48:09,300
there's all sorts of details in that

1103
00:48:16,099 --> 00:48:13,560
document about the idea that there were

1104
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:16,109
a crash in Roswell New Mexico

1105
00:48:22,579 --> 00:48:19,290
not only that mj-12 existed but the

1106
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:22,589
crash at Roswell New Mexico happened the

1107
00:48:28,550 --> 00:48:26,130
retrieved technology is being studied by

1108
00:48:32,359 --> 00:48:28,560
these reverse engineering programs that

1109
00:48:34,700 --> 00:48:32,369
are run by civilian contractors there's

1110
00:48:37,490 --> 00:48:34,710
the whole idea that there was something

1111
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:37,500
called a bigot list of need to know

1112
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:40,410
people each of these organizations keep

1113
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:43,530
and unless you're on their bigot list

1114
00:48:49,070 --> 00:48:46,410
which is B IG ot and it sounds very

1115
00:48:52,540 --> 00:48:49,080
racist but it's basically an anachronism

1116
00:48:55,370 --> 00:48:52,550
backwards that stands for to Gibraltar

1117
00:48:58,250 --> 00:48:55,380
which was a code name used during the

1118
00:49:00,800 --> 00:48:58,260
World War 2 invasion at Normandy to

1119
00:49:03,620 --> 00:49:00,810
start planning that event and they ended

1120
00:49:08,540 --> 00:49:03,630
up using the reverse of that instead of

1121
00:49:10,490 --> 00:49:08,550
to Gibraltar to jet big it backwards as

1122
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:10,500
a codename of anybody who has a need to

1123
00:49:15,410 --> 00:49:13,200
know for a specific unacknowledged axis

1124
00:49:18,530 --> 00:49:15,420
special access pro

1125
00:49:20,810 --> 00:49:18,540
so when the admiral met with the

1126
00:49:22,580 --> 00:49:20,820
civilian contractor they showed him

1127
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:22,590
their big enlist and he was not on it

1128
00:49:28,430 --> 00:49:26,010
there were no no u.s. President Snow

1129
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:28,440
White House personnel no congressional

1130
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:31,290
personnel no military personnel on this

1131
00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:36,050
list only a few Pentagon employee

1132
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:38,730
officials that oversee the program so

1133
00:49:43,970 --> 00:49:41,850
those are very fascinating conversations

1134
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:43,980
that Eric Davis was having with Admiral

1135
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:44,490
Wilson

1136
00:49:51,350 --> 00:49:48,570
about the details of these programs and

1137
00:49:54,410 --> 00:49:51,360
basically this was one program dealing

1138
00:49:56,990 --> 00:49:54,420
with one reverse engineering aspect of

1139
00:49:58,900 --> 00:49:57,000
the whole phenomena so you never know

1140
00:50:01,640 --> 00:49:58,910
how many others are out there

1141
00:50:05,690 --> 00:50:01,650
interesting well you know how long ago

1142
00:50:09,770 --> 00:50:05,700
Roswell was and if they brought forward

1143
00:50:11,900 --> 00:50:09,780
some type of craft gear and they were

1144
00:50:14,990 --> 00:50:11,910
reverse engineering it that's a long

1145
00:50:19,220 --> 00:50:15,000
time that's what is that 70 you know

1146
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:19,230
years seven I do and how could they

1147
00:50:23,870 --> 00:50:22,650
possibly keep that you know quite first

1148
00:50:26,540 --> 00:50:23,880
of all how could they keep that quiet

1149
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:26,550
and if it's in I'm talking specifically

1150
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:29,970
if it is in the hands of a private which

1151
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:32,970
I actually would agree that is a great

1152
00:50:39,940 --> 00:50:37,770
way to you know to hide well you know

1153
00:50:42,530 --> 00:50:39,950
keep out of Congress and you know

1154
00:50:46,220 --> 00:50:42,540
anything else is to get in the private

1155
00:50:49,490 --> 00:50:46,230
sector but how could this be grandfather

1156
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:49,500
from its generational at this point so

1157
00:50:53,290 --> 00:50:50,850
how could something like this

1158
00:50:56,020 --> 00:50:53,300
make it through generations of say

1159
00:51:00,050 --> 00:50:56,030
reverse engineering or you know a

1160
00:51:02,570 --> 00:51:00,060
company you know working on trying to

1161
00:51:04,370 --> 00:51:02,580
discover what these these things are and

1162
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:04,380
how they work we have about four minutes

1163
00:51:08,930 --> 00:51:07,050
left okay well you know that's the whole

1164
00:51:11,330 --> 00:51:08,940
bob lazar story right there in a

1165
00:51:13,100 --> 00:51:11,340
nutshell which is kind of strange Bob

1166
00:51:15,140 --> 00:51:13,110
Lazar comes out with her they come out

1167
00:51:18,020 --> 00:51:15,150
with a movie about Bob Lazar just very

1168
00:51:21,350 --> 00:51:18,030
recently and this memo comes out shortly

1169
00:51:24,830 --> 00:51:21,360
thereafter basically confirming the idea

1170
00:51:26,780 --> 00:51:24,840
that the civilian back-engineering or

1171
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:26,790
whatever programs that we've got working

1172
00:51:31,340 --> 00:51:28,290
for the military

1173
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:31,350
are really hamstrung themselves in the

1174
00:51:33,410 --> 00:51:31,920
memo

1175
00:51:36,050 --> 00:51:33,420
it's mentioning the fact that they have

1176
00:51:38,420 --> 00:51:36,060
very slow progress in reverse

1177
00:51:41,510 --> 00:51:38,430
engineering these special projects and

1178
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:41,520
they are stuck using basically the

1179
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:43,680
personnel that are only on their bigot

1180
00:51:49,250 --> 00:51:47,010
lists they can't access the wide range

1181
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:49,260
of scientific consultants out there in

1182
00:51:53,420 --> 00:51:51,210
the world that could help them and they

1183
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:53,430
can only use their own facilities due to

1184
00:51:59,330 --> 00:51:57,170
the stove piping and you know the secret

1185
00:52:01,040 --> 00:51:59,340
things that they have to keep you know

1186
00:52:03,980 --> 00:52:01,050
depending on their budgets too so it

1187
00:52:06,140 --> 00:52:03,990
kind of goes on for decades from what

1188
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:06,150
this memo is saying with very slow

1189
00:52:13,130 --> 00:52:09,210
progress which is kind of a flies enough

1190
00:52:17,210 --> 00:52:13,140
active there could be also a you know a

1191
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:17,220
reverse or a secret space program that's

1192
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:18,720
already new in all this stuff so we

1193
00:52:22,670 --> 00:52:20,850
always have like a things going on at

1194
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:22,680
the same time you know and you never

1195
00:52:28,010 --> 00:52:25,290
know which ones are the correct versions

1196
00:52:31,460 --> 00:52:28,020
of reality out there we're going to be

1197
00:52:32,780 --> 00:52:31,470
taking calls in in our - but I just I

1198
00:52:34,460 --> 00:52:32,790
just happened to notice and I can't

1199
00:52:36,890 --> 00:52:34,470
really pay attention to chat too much

1200
00:52:39,020 --> 00:52:36,900
but I noticed a question from a Jay

1201
00:52:43,010 --> 00:52:39,030
Allen he wanted to know which remote

1202
00:52:47,060 --> 00:52:43,020
viewer is mentioned in the memo um gosh

1203
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:47,070
you know it was two women and I don't

1204
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:49,050
have the memo off the top my head but

1205
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:50,610
I'll tell you who it was it was the

1206
00:52:59,540 --> 00:52:54,960
woman who actually channeled in a lien

1207
00:53:01,580 --> 00:52:59,550
at the I think it was right Patterson

1208
00:53:03,620 --> 00:53:01,590
Air Force Base and she was meeting with

1209
00:53:06,650 --> 00:53:03,630
some of the high brass there that she

1210
00:53:08,750 --> 00:53:06,660
had convinced that she could do this and

1211
00:53:10,910 --> 00:53:08,760
in reality what she did is she actually

1212
00:53:13,610 --> 00:53:10,920
made an arrangement for one of the

1213
00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:13,620
actual officers that were there to

1214
00:53:20,180 --> 00:53:18,000
become a channeler himself and a a lien

1215
00:53:22,670 --> 00:53:20,190
craft showed up outside their window at

1216
00:53:23,300 --> 00:53:22,680
wright-patterson to do that forget her

1217
00:53:25,250 --> 00:53:23,310
name

1218
00:53:28,250 --> 00:53:25,260
off the top my head but she's one of

1219
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:28,260
them very famous the incident that's

1220
00:53:33,290 --> 00:53:30,450
been written about in ufology over the

1221
00:53:35,210 --> 00:53:33,300
years no okay all right

1222
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:35,220
so a lot of people know my longtime

1223
00:53:39,740 --> 00:53:36,720
listeners know that I'm sort of

1224
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:39,750
skeptical about certain things and so a

1225
00:53:41,540 --> 00:53:40,770
lot of things we're talking about

1226
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:41,550
tonight

1227
00:53:45,290 --> 00:53:43,440
I'm sort of skeptical about I'm letting

1228
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:45,300
you talk you're you know you're making a

1229
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:47,280
good case for things but I will have to

1230
00:53:51,410 --> 00:53:48,690
tell you that Bob Lazar was on my

1231
00:53:53,090 --> 00:53:51,420
skeptical list and a lot of people are

1232
00:53:56,090 --> 00:53:53,100
not happy about that

1233
00:53:59,300 --> 00:53:56,100
but I've still I personally think that

1234
00:54:02,210 --> 00:53:59,310
you know Jeremy did a good job with the

1235
00:54:04,550 --> 00:54:02,220
movie he did but I still think that I

1236
00:54:07,340 --> 00:54:04,560
was trying to be convinced to believe

1237
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:07,350
the whole thing and and I also watched

1238
00:54:14,180 --> 00:54:10,170
the Joe Rogan Bob Lazar interview the

1239
00:54:16,940 --> 00:54:14,190
whole thing was two hours and I the more

1240
00:54:19,010 --> 00:54:16,950
I watch the less I believe and I the

1241
00:54:21,890 --> 00:54:19,020
less I believe him and that's not a

1242
00:54:25,700 --> 00:54:21,900
popular view but it's it's just the it's

1243
00:54:28,910 --> 00:54:25,710
just a feeling a gut feeling I have you

1244
00:54:31,340 --> 00:54:28,920
know maybe as an appraiser really

1245
00:54:33,770 --> 00:54:31,350
looking into things and and watching

1246
00:54:37,609 --> 00:54:33,780
people and stuff but anyway I'm not

1247
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:37,619
saying I'm an expert on on people but it

1248
00:54:42,020 --> 00:54:40,290
just my thoughts are still that I don't

1249
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:42,030
really buy it a hundred percent however

1250
00:54:46,940 --> 00:54:44,130
I do agree that a lot of really

1251
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:46,950
interesting things have come about

1252
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:50,160
because of what Bob Lazar has said so I

1253
00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:52,770
will give him that and at this point

1254
00:55:00,830 --> 00:54:55,760
though we are about ready to go into

1255
00:55:03,230 --> 00:55:00,840
break so my guest tonight is Michael

1256
00:55:06,250 --> 00:55:03,240
Hall and we will be right back right

1257
00:55:09,500 --> 00:55:06,260
after these messages

1258
00:55:14,380 --> 00:55:09,510
it's Michael Hall and I'm back with him

1259
00:55:17,570 --> 00:55:14,390
and Michael so this has been a

1260
00:55:19,849 --> 00:55:17,580
interesting night and you know I just

1261
00:55:22,250 --> 00:55:19,859
kind of I don't know would you say slam

1262
00:55:26,359 --> 00:55:22,260
bob lazar but I gave my opinion on

1263
00:55:29,570 --> 00:55:26,369
Balthasar and but anyway you know I

1264
00:55:31,450 --> 00:55:29,580
maybe I have to be open-minded and say

1265
00:55:35,150 --> 00:55:31,460
that I could be totally wrong

1266
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:35,160
you know perhaps there is something to

1267
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:37,770
his story all the way through you know

1268
00:55:42,620 --> 00:55:40,170
that when there's bits and pieces that

1269
00:55:45,980 --> 00:55:42,630
don't ring true that row is you know

1270
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:45,990
that always gets me wondering and you as

1271
00:55:51,530 --> 00:55:49,440
a prosecutor were you a prosecutor you

1272
00:55:53,420 --> 00:55:51,540
want I was uh I clerked him to

1273
00:55:54,570 --> 00:55:53,430
prosecutors office but I ended up not

1274
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:54,580
going

1275
00:55:58,020 --> 00:55:56,410
with the program being a prosecutor I

1276
00:56:01,530 --> 00:55:58,030
just went into private practice I see

1277
00:56:03,390 --> 00:56:01,540
but but how do you how do you feel that

1278
00:56:06,180 --> 00:56:03,400
helps in what you're doing here when

1279
00:56:09,180 --> 00:56:06,190
you're looking you're looking at a story

1280
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:09,190
whether it's you know a false story or

1281
00:56:14,250 --> 00:56:10,930
true story how do you feel that helps

1282
00:56:16,380 --> 00:56:14,260
you well it does it you know it's a

1283
00:56:18,450 --> 00:56:16,390
mindset that you get in as a lawyer you

1284
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:18,460
know the first thing that you learn in

1285
00:56:22,350 --> 00:56:21,850
law school is that everyone deserves a

1286
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:22,360
defense

1287
00:56:27,210 --> 00:56:24,970
of some kind if they're in a you know a

1288
00:56:30,300 --> 00:56:27,220
legal issue whether it's criminal or

1289
00:56:33,870 --> 00:56:30,310
civil so you end up having a point of

1290
00:56:36,330 --> 00:56:33,880
view that is forced to be either pro or

1291
00:56:38,190 --> 00:56:36,340
against a certain issue depending on

1292
00:56:41,250 --> 00:56:38,200
what side of the case of the year on and

1293
00:56:43,170 --> 00:56:41,260
you end up having to develop skills to

1294
00:56:45,930 --> 00:56:43,180
be both a defense attorney and a

1295
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:45,940
prosecutor to get down to the truth and

1296
00:56:50,130 --> 00:56:48,010
veracity of the story and then of course

1297
00:56:53,460 --> 00:56:50,140
if you're lucky enough to be appointed

1298
00:56:54,570 --> 00:56:53,470
to the bench and become a judge it is

1299
00:56:57,690 --> 00:56:54,580
just awesome

1300
00:57:00,480 --> 00:56:57,700
a responsibility and an incredible

1301
00:57:03,570 --> 00:57:00,490
opportunity to basically understand that

1302
00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:03,580
you're gonna hear testimony that doesn't

1303
00:57:07,830 --> 00:57:06,160
quite make sense sometimes that will

1304
00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:07,840
turn out to be true and correct

1305
00:57:13,500 --> 00:57:10,240
you'll hear testimony that rings so true

1306
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:13,510
to yourself and the jury and you find

1307
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:15,970
out later it's totally false so

1308
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:18,160
basically the idea being is that you

1309
00:57:24,630 --> 00:57:20,290
keep an open mind you keep digging for

1310
00:57:27,810 --> 00:57:24,640
the details to make sure that either the

1311
00:57:30,540 --> 00:57:27,820
standard of care in the law is beyond a

1312
00:57:33,570 --> 00:57:30,550
reasonable doubt that is the criminal

1313
00:57:35,370 --> 00:57:33,580
standard that's way harder to prove than

1314
00:57:39,390 --> 00:57:35,380
just a preponderance of the evidence

1315
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:39,400
which is basically 51% sounds like it

1316
00:57:42,540 --> 00:57:40,000
could be true

1317
00:57:44,220 --> 00:57:42,550
forty-nine percent maybe it sounds like

1318
00:57:47,550 --> 00:57:44,230
it's false but it's still going to be

1319
00:57:49,170 --> 00:57:47,560
ruled as being true if you're going for

1320
00:57:51,660 --> 00:57:49,180
the preponderance of the evidence

1321
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:51,670
standard so when you have those

1322
00:57:55,860 --> 00:57:53,890
different standards out there you bring

1323
00:57:57,840 --> 00:57:55,870
that to you follow G and you go well

1324
00:57:59,820 --> 00:57:57,850
wait a minute here you know this isn't a

1325
00:58:02,130 --> 00:57:59,830
slam-dunk either way you just keep

1326
00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:02,140
digging for information and you put it

1327
00:58:06,270 --> 00:58:04,000
out the information to the public and

1328
00:58:08,609 --> 00:58:06,280
and basically slowly but surely you're

1329
00:58:14,190 --> 00:58:08,619
getting towards the the truth of

1330
00:58:16,140 --> 00:58:14,200
I see alright so using this skill let's

1331
00:58:18,810 --> 00:58:16,150
just say that you were on the other side

1332
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:18,820
of this Wilson UFO document you're on

1333
00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:21,850
the side where you thought it was false

1334
00:58:25,109 --> 00:58:23,680
what would your arguments be in other

1335
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:25,119
words what's a weakest part of this

1336
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:28,570
whole thing well one of the weakest

1337
00:58:35,849 --> 00:58:33,250
parts of the entire issue is how it was

1338
00:58:38,310 --> 00:58:35,859
released there are two different

1339
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:38,320
releases that you got to worry about how

1340
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:40,690
it was actually obtained from the Edgar

1341
00:58:45,690 --> 00:58:43,690
Mitchell estate for one's because there

1342
00:58:48,620 --> 00:58:45,700
is an individual that is still unnamed

1343
00:58:51,210 --> 00:58:48,630
out there by the way who is the original

1344
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:51,220
benefactor of beneficiary of these

1345
00:58:56,930 --> 00:58:53,890
documents we don't know who that is at

1346
00:58:59,520 --> 00:58:56,940
this point at one point James R evening

1347
00:59:01,560 --> 00:58:59,530
actually contacted that person was

1348
00:59:04,050 --> 00:59:01,570
actually able to go through a few of the

1349
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:04,060
boxes and found the smoking and memo so

1350
00:59:09,750 --> 00:59:06,730
that's the provenance issue that needs

1351
00:59:12,630 --> 00:59:09,760
to be looked at and then of course there

1352
00:59:16,380 --> 00:59:12,640
is the issue of who actually release

1353
00:59:19,140 --> 00:59:16,390
this document on anger and Twitter if

1354
00:59:22,109 --> 00:59:19,150
that could be found out to be for

1355
00:59:23,340 --> 00:59:22,119
instance one of my theories on this

1356
00:59:26,250 --> 00:59:23,350
other side of the fence that you're

1357
00:59:29,490 --> 00:59:26,260
talking about Martin is that this

1358
00:59:33,990 --> 00:59:29,500
document has been wanting to be released

1359
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:34,000
for maybe a few years actually Richard

1360
00:59:39,630 --> 00:59:37,450
Dolan has mentioned that back in 2007 he

1361
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:39,640
saw this document he at least sought to

1362
00:59:44,970 --> 00:59:42,250
pages because he remembers the part that

1363
00:59:47,700 --> 00:59:44,980
it says this retrieved technology was

1364
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:47,710
not of this earth not made by human

1365
00:59:53,310 --> 00:59:49,810
hands that stuck in his brain over the

1366
00:59:55,710 --> 00:59:53,320
last few years so if indeed this

1367
00:59:57,690 --> 00:59:55,720
document was slowly being you know

1368
01:00:00,510 --> 00:59:57,700
pushed out into the public and then

1369
01:00:03,690 --> 01:00:00,520
finally since grant Cameron was not

1370
01:00:04,980 --> 01:00:03,700
releasing it on time or a timely basis

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01:00:05,430 --> 01:00:04,990
than what they thought was going to be

1372
01:00:11,010 --> 01:00:05,440
released

1373
01:00:13,170 --> 01:00:11,020
on Twitter if that could be determined

1374
01:00:15,810 --> 01:00:13,180
it would be very interesting to see who

1375
01:00:18,390 --> 01:00:15,820
is behind the actual leaking of this

1376
01:00:20,970 --> 01:00:18,400
document whether it's true or correct

1377
01:00:21,790 --> 01:00:20,980
the document the actual leaking of the

1378
01:00:24,580 --> 01:00:21,800
document could

1379
01:00:28,990 --> 01:00:24,590
you're tell us a whole lot now where did

1380
01:00:31,180 --> 01:00:29,000
grant get this get this copy yeah grant

1381
01:00:33,850 --> 01:00:31,190
you know speaks all over the world he

1382
01:00:36,610 --> 01:00:33,860
he's been my client for many years and

1383
01:00:39,970 --> 01:00:36,620
he tells me that he was at a conference

1384
01:00:42,580 --> 01:00:39,980
and major conference here in the United

1385
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:42,590
States when he gets approached just as

1386
01:00:47,770 --> 01:00:44,690
he's leaving town to go to another

1387
01:00:50,710 --> 01:00:47,780
conference by James Rigney and

1388
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:50,720
Australian I had this document wanted to

1389
01:00:55,420 --> 01:00:53,570
show him what he had he eventually

1390
01:00:59,710 --> 01:00:55,430
showed it to him and grant said where

1391
01:01:03,360 --> 01:00:59,720
did you get this and and so then how

1392
01:01:07,570 --> 01:01:03,370
does that tie in with a commit childen

1393
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:07,580
well the whole theory is that Edgar

1394
01:01:10,300 --> 01:01:07,970
Mitchell

1395
01:01:13,150 --> 01:01:10,310
you know these documents not only the

1396
01:01:18,030 --> 01:01:13,160
Edgar by the the at the Admiral Wilson

1397
01:01:22,510 --> 01:01:18,040
document but the Santelli emails thread

1398
01:01:25,690 --> 01:01:22,520
from kit green confirming to Robert

1399
01:01:30,430 --> 01:01:25,700
Bigelow that he thinks this alien

1400
01:01:33,130 --> 01:01:30,440
autopsy film is a genuine autopsy or

1401
01:01:36,370 --> 01:01:33,140
representation of an op Topsy of a real

1402
01:01:39,670 --> 01:01:36,380
alien they seem to come from Edgar

1403
01:01:41,620 --> 01:01:39,680
Mitchell's documents of his estate and

1404
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:41,630
we touch and the reason they believe

1405
01:01:48,130 --> 01:01:44,090
that is that C Edgar Mitchell was on the

1406
01:01:50,230 --> 01:01:48,140
board of directors of the needs Robert

1407
01:01:53,710 --> 01:01:50,240
Bigelow is grooving and there is a

1408
01:01:56,290 --> 01:01:53,720
couple letters from Robert Bigelow to

1409
01:01:57,940 --> 01:01:56,300
Edgar Mitchell confirming his you know

1410
01:02:00,250 --> 01:01:57,950
being on the board of directors and the

1411
01:02:03,940 --> 01:02:00,260
meetings that he's attending and the

1412
01:02:05,970 --> 01:02:03,950
fact that Eric Davis dr. Eric Davis was

1413
01:02:09,270 --> 01:02:05,980
also on the board of directors of mids

1414
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:09,280
the idea being that these this memo and

1415
01:02:15,970 --> 01:02:13,010
these threads from kid green about the

1416
01:02:16,630 --> 01:02:15,980
alien autopsy all ended up in dr.

1417
01:02:21,910 --> 01:02:16,640
Mitchell's

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01:02:24,130 --> 01:02:21,920
of the board of directors amid so what a

1419
01:02:26,940 --> 01:02:24,140
suit yeah everyone assumes that other

1420
01:02:30,490 --> 01:02:26,950
board of directors of this organization

1421
01:02:32,380 --> 01:02:30,500
would have similar documents that

1422
01:02:35,530 --> 01:02:32,390
corroborate these coming from Edgar

1423
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:35,540
Mitchell as the state as well well

1424
01:02:40,750 --> 01:02:38,210
I have thought about this as well a

1425
01:02:42,820 --> 01:02:40,760
little bit you know not I I would just

1426
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:42,830
think that someone like Edgar Mitchell

1427
01:02:51,130 --> 01:02:45,410
is going to get a lot of documents a lot

1428
01:02:54,220 --> 01:02:51,140
of you know I mean maybe mj-12 documents

1429
01:02:55,660 --> 01:02:54,230
maybe these maybe a bunch of other

1430
01:02:58,420 --> 01:02:55,670
things sent to him because he's such a

1431
01:02:59,710 --> 01:02:58,430
high profile person you know what it was

1432
01:03:02,020 --> 01:02:59,720
he the sixth man on the moon or

1433
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:02,030
something I can't remember but I mean he

1434
01:03:08,110 --> 01:03:04,130
walked on the moon you know he's a real

1435
01:03:09,910 --> 01:03:08,120
important astronaut and he has he has he

1436
01:03:12,550 --> 01:03:09,920
had thoughts that there was really

1437
01:03:15,250 --> 01:03:12,560
something to the UFO subject he's going

1438
01:03:17,140 --> 01:03:15,260
to get a lot of a lot of stuff in the

1439
01:03:19,420 --> 01:03:17,150
mail whether it's sent to him physically

1440
01:03:21,340 --> 01:03:19,430
or email or whatever you know that he's

1441
01:03:24,700 --> 01:03:21,350
gonna get a lot I don't know if that at

1442
01:03:26,890 --> 01:03:24,710
myself I don't know how much credence at

1443
01:03:29,260 --> 01:03:26,900
adds to these this document that it came

1444
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:29,270
from his estate because of that you know

1445
01:03:36,610 --> 01:03:33,050
in particular and let me just ask you

1446
01:03:38,740 --> 01:03:36,620
this what kind of backlash have you had

1447
01:03:41,410 --> 01:03:38,750
from the UFO community or grant or

1448
01:03:43,330 --> 01:03:41,420
Richard Dolan about this document being

1449
01:03:46,540 --> 01:03:43,340
faked how much of a backlash has there

1450
01:03:51,780 --> 01:03:46,550
been well initially there was obviously

1451
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:51,790
the basic ufology kind of like you know

1452
01:03:56,410 --> 01:03:54,530
arguments the Vino well how do we know

1453
01:03:59,650 --> 01:03:56,420
it's real you know how do you prove the

1454
01:04:01,540 --> 01:03:59,660
veracity of the document itself but then

1455
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:01,550
Richard Dolan came out very shortly

1456
01:04:07,510 --> 01:04:03,890
right after the document was leaked on

1457
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:07,520
Twitter and did a fantastic analysis by

1458
01:04:13,140 --> 01:04:10,970
the way of the entire document and why

1459
01:04:15,940 --> 01:04:13,150
he believes that is indeed the most

1460
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:15,950
important smoking gun memo and ufology

1461
01:04:21,030 --> 01:04:18,530
in this century and I think more of

1462
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:21,040
course I mean if it's true and correct

1463
01:04:27,580 --> 01:04:24,290
so basically the whole idea that more

1464
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:27,590
and more people got into the details of

1465
01:04:32,770 --> 01:04:30,890
the document and I had it again like I

1466
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:32,780
said over six months going through the

1467
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:35,570
details doing the vetting and the

1468
01:04:39,820 --> 01:04:37,610
following up on the various things that

1469
01:04:42,910 --> 01:04:39,830
are mentioned in there to see if I could

1470
01:04:45,700 --> 01:04:42,920
find any glitches in this in the

1471
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:45,710
document or you know falsity and the

1472
01:04:49,570 --> 01:04:47,330
time frames and those kinds of things

1473
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:49,580
and I couldn't find any

1474
01:04:55,540 --> 01:04:52,490
so when you have major ufologist like

1475
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:55,550
grant cameron who says basically that

1476
01:04:58,720 --> 01:04:57,170
he's never seen anything like this

1477
01:05:00,550 --> 01:04:58,730
before

1478
01:05:03,870 --> 01:05:00,560
even if it was matter-of-fact grant is

1479
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:03,880
very discerning when it comes to this

1480
01:05:09,340 --> 01:05:07,610
slow disclosure this managed disclosure

1481
01:05:13,030 --> 01:05:09,350
where they have plausible deniability

1482
01:05:15,510 --> 01:05:13,040
and they pull it back later and this is

1483
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:15,520
totally different and unique in his

1484
01:05:21,630 --> 01:05:19,130
experience as well so it is very

1485
01:05:25,090 --> 01:05:21,640
interesting and if it is indeed a hoax

1486
01:05:27,220 --> 01:05:25,100
it is the most bold hoax you've ever

1487
01:05:30,490 --> 01:05:27,230
seen in your follow G with all the

1488
01:05:32,410 --> 01:05:30,500
details included in it you know I'm kind

1489
01:05:35,290 --> 01:05:32,420
of maybe I'm beating a dead horse a

1490
01:05:37,750 --> 01:05:35,300
little bit here but but what are the

1491
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:37,760
arguments of people that you're hearing

1492
01:05:42,220 --> 01:05:40,130
the most of you know why are so many

1493
01:05:45,430 --> 01:05:42,230
people saying that this is you know a

1494
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:45,440
fake and it's there's nothing to it and

1495
01:05:49,750 --> 01:05:46,970
what what it's the grounds that they're

1496
01:05:52,330 --> 01:05:49,760
standing on that you're seeing yeah well

1497
01:05:55,300 --> 01:05:52,340
okay there's a few a few good points

1498
01:05:57,610 --> 01:05:55,310
obviously but one point is well you know

1499
01:06:00,810 --> 01:05:57,620
can can anybody really place

1500
01:06:04,860 --> 01:06:00,820
Admiral Wilson in Las Vegas Nevada on

1501
01:06:08,470 --> 01:06:04,870
October 16 2002 that would be one issue

1502
01:06:09,820 --> 01:06:08,480
that you know we could actually confirm

1503
01:06:12,010 --> 01:06:09,830
that well he was in the neck of the

1504
01:06:15,220 --> 01:06:12,020
woods there to be meeting with dr. Eric

1505
01:06:17,710 --> 01:06:15,230
Davis at the EG&G Building in Vegas at

1506
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:17,720
that time so that's an issue that still

1507
01:06:22,300 --> 01:06:20,330
needs to be pursued whether there's some

1508
01:06:24,610 --> 01:06:22,310
kind of a log or some kind of a diary

1509
01:06:29,170 --> 01:06:24,620
that can be proved that he was there

1510
01:06:31,090 --> 01:06:29,180
that day there was also the issue of you

1511
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:31,100
know all the details that are included

1512
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:33,170
in this thing and whether anybody could

1513
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:36,650
corroborate or come forth in public and

1514
01:06:41,890 --> 01:06:39,170
confirm any of the details

1515
01:06:44,890 --> 01:06:41,900
the only real details that can be

1516
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:44,900
confirmed and has been by participants

1517
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:49,730
in this memo comes from dr. Steven Greer

1518
01:06:55,510 --> 01:06:53,210
himself who was actually at the briefing

1519
01:06:59,350 --> 01:06:55,520
with Admiral Wilson and Edgar Mitchell

1520
01:07:01,420 --> 01:06:59,360
and commander Miller as well and he was

1521
01:07:02,460 --> 01:07:01,430
just recently interviewed on Jimmy

1522
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:02,470
Church

1523
01:07:08,780 --> 01:07:06,130
and other shows confirming that yeah I

1524
01:07:12,839 --> 01:07:08,790
mean he wrote about this in his own book

1525
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:12,849
surely after the actual 1997 briefing

1526
01:07:18,390 --> 01:07:16,210
that he did and confirmed that these

1527
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:18,400
things that they talked about for well

1528
01:07:22,050 --> 01:07:20,890
over two and a half hours in the

1529
01:07:25,770 --> 01:07:22,060
briefing that was only supposed to last

1530
01:07:28,079 --> 01:07:25,780
45 minutes by the way about the you know

1531
01:07:31,650 --> 01:07:28,089
retrieved technologies the Roswell crash

1532
01:07:34,050 --> 01:07:31,660
mj-12 documents he confirms dr. Greer

1533
01:07:36,750 --> 01:07:34,060
does that those things happened as well

1534
01:07:39,210 --> 01:07:36,760
but of course you've got all sorts of

1535
01:07:43,050 --> 01:07:39,220
other details in the document like the

1536
01:07:45,809 --> 01:07:43,060
fact that you know UFOs do exist Jack

1537
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:45,819
Ganzer says but alien abductions don't

1538
01:07:51,270 --> 01:07:48,490
exist you know a lot of people use that

1539
01:07:54,599 --> 01:07:51,280
as something that's totally bogus they

1540
01:07:57,809 --> 01:07:54,609
understand and ufology and proves to the

1541
01:08:01,020 --> 01:07:57,819
falsity of the document as well it's a

1542
01:08:03,870 --> 01:08:01,030
whole lot of things that go back and

1543
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:03,880
forth pro and con on the document i see

1544
01:08:09,690 --> 01:08:06,490
well you know that's gonna be no matter

1545
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:09,700
what but you know it's it'll be

1546
01:08:14,190 --> 01:08:11,290
interesting to see how this thing plays

1547
01:08:16,590 --> 01:08:14,200
out you know maybe it won't play out if

1548
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:16,600
you look at the mj-12 documents uh

1549
01:08:20,519 --> 01:08:18,130
there's a number of people out there

1550
01:08:24,420 --> 01:08:20,529
that really believe that they're you

1551
01:08:26,519 --> 01:08:24,430
know 100% real Stan Friedman you know

1552
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:26,529
thought some of the documents after all

1553
01:08:33,870 --> 01:08:29,890
his many many hours of research he

1554
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:33,880
thought some of them were okay and I did

1555
01:08:41,099 --> 01:08:37,330
mention to him as an appraiser you know

1556
01:08:43,019 --> 01:08:41,109
if I find a fake in fake painting and a

1557
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:43,029
bunch of real paintings I'm skeptic

1558
01:08:48,110 --> 01:08:44,650
skeptical about them all you know you

1559
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:48,120
have to really really dig and dig so

1560
01:08:54,630 --> 01:08:50,770
just as a question to you what did you

1561
01:08:58,860 --> 01:08:54,640
think about the mj-12 documents you know

1562
01:09:00,689 --> 01:08:58,870
the mj-12 documents are I think I think

1563
01:09:03,900 --> 01:09:00,699
Stanton Friedman was correct in his

1564
01:09:06,570 --> 01:09:03,910
analysis I think there were you know

1565
01:09:08,970 --> 01:09:06,580
some may be disinformation given to

1566
01:09:11,970 --> 01:09:08,980
Jamie and array and you know at that

1567
01:09:15,440 --> 01:09:11,980
point but I think the overall idea of

1568
01:09:17,930 --> 01:09:15,450
the the organization that

1569
01:09:19,370 --> 01:09:17,940
put together supposedly by Truman you

1570
01:09:23,030 --> 01:09:19,380
know right after the Roswell crash

1571
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:23,040
supposedly in 47 it seems to be very

1572
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:25,410
true and correct to me when you look at

1573
01:09:30,530 --> 01:09:28,050
other resources you know there was an

1574
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:30,540
interesting aspect to that story also

1575
01:09:36,170 --> 01:09:33,810
when Stanton died just recently grant

1576
01:09:39,260 --> 01:09:36,180
Cameron was able to actually access his

1577
01:09:43,180 --> 01:09:39,270
FBI file I know if you've heard some of

1578
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:43,190
Grant's information that we found out

1579
01:09:52,670 --> 01:09:47,010
that the FBI had quite an extensive file

1580
01:09:55,970 --> 01:09:52,680
and on you know that the idea that

1581
01:09:57,740 --> 01:09:55,980
Stanton Friedman had supposedly an alias

1582
01:09:58,820 --> 01:09:57,750
even that's blocked out in these

1583
01:10:01,090 --> 01:09:58,830
documents Wow

1584
01:10:03,650 --> 01:10:01,100
we don't know what that alias was

1585
01:10:06,380 --> 01:10:03,660
because they're they're blocked out by

1586
01:10:08,030 --> 01:10:06,390
they don't use black paper a paper

1587
01:10:10,010 --> 01:10:08,040
anymore there's a white paper that they

1588
01:10:12,410 --> 01:10:10,020
block out certain things in the document

1589
01:10:15,230 --> 01:10:12,420
but the real interesting aspect of the

1590
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:15,240
FBI documents shows that Nana Freedman

1591
01:10:23,090 --> 01:10:19,770
very early on in the 60s had access to

1592
01:10:26,230 --> 01:10:23,100
the actual FBI file numbers that he was

1593
01:10:29,690 --> 01:10:26,240
requesting on Freedom of Information

1594
01:10:31,220 --> 01:10:29,700
requests and the FBI got very suspicious

1595
01:10:33,860 --> 01:10:31,230
about the fact that he knew all the

1596
01:10:35,750 --> 01:10:33,870
details of the actual file numbers he

1597
01:10:39,050 --> 01:10:35,760
was requesting and so they opened up the

1598
01:10:42,440 --> 01:10:39,060
file on Stanton Friedman shortly after

1599
01:10:44,690 --> 01:10:42,450
he got out of school and out in college

1600
01:10:47,900 --> 01:10:44,700
when he was doing his research on UFOs

1601
01:10:51,140 --> 01:10:47,910
so you never know how close Stanton

1602
01:10:53,710 --> 01:10:51,150
Friedman was in knowing what the inside

1603
01:10:56,660 --> 01:10:53,720
information was and if he was that close

1604
01:11:00,080 --> 01:10:56,670
the fact that he believed the mj-12

1605
01:11:03,740 --> 01:11:00,090
documents we're to incorrect goes a long

1606
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:03,750
way with me anyway interesting so one of

1607
01:11:07,670 --> 01:11:06,210
the there's a anyway I'm gonna open the

1608
01:11:11,150 --> 01:11:07,680
lines for anyone that wants to call in

1609
01:11:15,110 --> 01:11:11,160
about this document before we move on to

1610
01:11:18,620 --> 01:11:15,120
another subject but J Allen and the has

1611
01:11:20,630 --> 01:11:18,630
another question basically is what is

1612
01:11:22,580 --> 01:11:20,640
the chain of custody you sort of follow

1613
01:11:23,780 --> 01:11:22,590
that but that is that is really

1614
01:11:25,910 --> 01:11:23,790
important when it comes to something

1615
01:11:28,340 --> 01:11:25,920
like this the chain of custody

1616
01:11:32,090 --> 01:11:28,350
you know the provenance so to speak

1617
01:11:35,150 --> 01:11:32,100
of this Wilson document and that is

1618
01:11:37,430 --> 01:11:35,160
that's what I see right now myself is

1619
01:11:39,670 --> 01:11:37,440
kind of the weakest part of of this is

1620
01:11:43,910 --> 01:11:39,680
you know gotta know where it came from

1621
01:11:46,130 --> 01:11:43,920
as far back as you can and and that's

1622
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:46,140
that's that's a problem where that can

1623
01:11:54,140 --> 01:11:51,530
be an issue yeah there's a the basic

1624
01:11:57,920 --> 01:11:54,150
missing link in the chain of Providence

1625
01:12:00,770 --> 01:11:57,930
at this point is how if indeed these are

1626
01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:00,780
from Edgar Mitchell's estate how they

1627
01:12:05,930 --> 01:12:03,450
actually got from Edgar Mitchell to the

1628
01:12:08,870 --> 01:12:05,940
gentleman who received the banker boxes

1629
01:12:12,260 --> 01:12:08,880
of information from his family

1630
01:12:14,750 --> 01:12:12,270
we know how James Read Me received the

1631
01:12:18,440 --> 01:12:14,760
information from this undisclosed source

1632
01:12:21,770 --> 01:12:18,450
so that Providence has been told by

1633
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:21,780
history me himself and then of course we

1634
01:12:27,770 --> 01:12:23,730
know how those documents that he had

1635
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:27,780
were given to grant Cameron and I can

1636
01:12:33,740 --> 01:12:29,850
verify that I got the document from

1637
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:33,750
grant on January 2nd of this year so

1638
01:12:38,480 --> 01:12:35,250
I've been sitting on them for a long

1639
01:12:41,390 --> 01:12:38,490
period of time getting them as well so I

1640
01:12:44,180 --> 01:12:41,400
have heard the the new information I'm

1641
01:12:46,730 --> 01:12:44,190
hearing is that the original source of

1642
01:12:50,630 --> 01:12:46,740
the documents from the Edgar Mitchell

1643
01:12:54,410 --> 01:12:50,640
estate might be coming forth him or

1644
01:12:57,950 --> 01:12:54,420
herself very shortly and confirming how

1645
01:13:01,340 --> 01:12:57,960
he or she received these documents from

1646
01:13:04,700 --> 01:13:01,350
Edgar Mitchell's family that would

1647
01:13:06,470 --> 01:13:04,710
basically kind of add you know veracity

1648
01:13:09,500 --> 01:13:06,480
to the chain of evidence of where these

1649
01:13:11,810 --> 01:13:09,510
things actually came from and the fact

1650
01:13:14,750 --> 01:13:11,820
that basically at that point James

1651
01:13:16,190 --> 01:13:14,760
Rigney would have all the confidence the

1652
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:16,200
world that the documents that he

1653
01:13:22,610 --> 01:13:20,250
received from this source were tauren

1654
01:13:23,540 --> 01:13:22,620
correct as well so that's where we are

1655
01:13:26,210 --> 01:13:23,550
at this point

1656
01:13:28,970 --> 01:13:26,220
yeah that would cooperate you know that

1657
01:13:31,910 --> 01:13:28,980
I mean they would need some more

1658
01:13:34,370 --> 01:13:31,920
cooperation and the family I'm sure does

1659
01:13:36,710 --> 01:13:34,380
not want to get involved at this point

1660
01:13:38,330 --> 01:13:36,720
you know I don't know that's my

1661
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:38,340
understanding right yeah you know and

1662
01:13:44,380 --> 01:13:41,690
and then the other issues are by the way

1663
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:44,390
that there are additional documents in

1664
01:13:50,620 --> 01:13:47,930
this edgar mitchell estate if for

1665
01:13:52,690 --> 01:13:50,630
instance we can confirm the existence of

1666
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:52,700
these other documents that are maybe

1667
01:13:56,770 --> 01:13:54,410
around the same timeframe they're from

1668
01:13:58,990 --> 01:13:56,780
the same actors they're from the same

1669
01:14:01,300 --> 01:13:59,000
people in organizations that he was

1670
01:14:03,370 --> 01:14:01,310
involved with edgar mitchell you know

1671
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:03,380
with knids and you know to the stars

1672
01:14:05,530 --> 01:14:04,250
academy

1673
01:14:08,440 --> 01:14:05,540
you know folks and all this kind of

1674
01:14:10,750 --> 01:14:08,450
thing those would show more provenance

1675
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:10,760
as well that the original document if

1676
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:12,170
they were coming from the same source

1677
01:14:20,260 --> 01:14:16,970
same boxes edgar Mitchell's estate would

1678
01:14:24,970 --> 01:14:20,270
kind of make sense as well now are you

1679
01:14:27,940 --> 01:14:24,980
saying that he he obtained at ker

1680
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:27,950
Mitchell possibly obtained this through

1681
01:14:32,740 --> 01:14:30,410
knids because he was involved in knits

1682
01:14:35,170 --> 01:14:32,750
is that is that what you said that's

1683
01:14:38,380 --> 01:14:35,180
right that's the that's the basic

1684
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:38,390
premise of the whole idea that not just

1685
01:14:43,290 --> 01:14:40,610
one you know a banker boxes a big old

1686
01:14:46,510 --> 01:14:43,300
box keep all sorts of files in and stuff

1687
01:14:49,060 --> 01:14:46,520
multiple banker boxes is what I have

1688
01:14:52,060 --> 01:14:49,070
been hearing from Edgar Mitchell's

1689
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:52,070
estate were almost thrown away by his

1690
01:14:57,670 --> 01:14:54,970
family they were retrieved by this

1691
01:15:00,970 --> 01:14:57,680
source that we don't know who he is at

1692
01:15:04,630 --> 01:15:00,980
this point or she is and then leaked out

1693
01:15:08,140 --> 01:15:04,640
slowly so if indeed we've got multiple

1694
01:15:09,670 --> 01:15:08,150
boxes of documents that are about the

1695
01:15:11,650 --> 01:15:09,680
same thing or from the knids

1696
01:15:13,660 --> 01:15:11,660
organization you know about Minda and

1697
01:15:17,430 --> 01:15:13,670
mids meetings we've got some documents

1698
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:17,440
that are actually from Robert Bigelow to

1699
01:15:21,940 --> 01:15:19,970
Edgar Mitchell you know talking about

1700
01:15:23,530 --> 01:15:21,950
the upcoming meetings that he's going to

1701
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:23,540
attend and those kinds of things so it

1702
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:25,970
basically ties him into the board of

1703
01:15:31,660 --> 01:15:30,290
directors or consultants basically that

1704
01:15:34,150 --> 01:15:31,670
he was on for knids

1705
01:15:36,940 --> 01:15:34,160
that's basically where we're thinking a

1706
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:36,950
lot of these documents came from would

1707
01:15:43,690 --> 01:15:39,770
there be any reason why edgar mitchell

1708
01:15:47,500 --> 01:15:43,700
would not have released any part of this

1709
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:47,510
document during his lifetime you know

1710
01:15:54,010 --> 01:15:49,610
the only thing that I can think of is uh

1711
01:15:55,660 --> 01:15:54,020
you know being a naval officer himself

1712
01:15:58,649 --> 01:15:55,670
you know an astronaut

1713
01:16:02,169 --> 01:15:58,659
on the inside he would obviously know

1714
01:16:06,390 --> 01:16:02,179
the repercussions of releasing core

1715
01:16:10,090 --> 01:16:06,400
secrets or any kind of document that

1716
01:16:12,910 --> 01:16:10,100
would be classified and those kinds of

1717
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:12,920
things although the 15 page memo is not

1718
01:16:18,970 --> 01:16:15,650
a classified document and not a core

1719
01:16:22,390 --> 01:16:18,980
secret but it mentions core secrets so I

1720
01:16:24,550 --> 01:16:22,400
would assume and I'm wondering because I

1721
01:16:26,830 --> 01:16:24,560
often wonder about this when people pass

1722
01:16:28,390 --> 01:16:26,840
away under death bed they might say

1723
01:16:31,330 --> 01:16:28,400
something that their children or their

1724
01:16:33,609 --> 01:16:31,340
family members that's why I created this

1725
01:16:35,770 --> 01:16:33,619
idea of a disclosure trust four people

1726
01:16:38,140 --> 01:16:35,780
actually put these documents into a

1727
01:16:40,450 --> 01:16:38,150
doctor a trust that they named a

1728
01:16:43,090 --> 01:16:40,460
successor trustee that's in charge of

1729
01:16:44,500 --> 01:16:43,100
disclosing the information either upon

1730
01:16:46,780 --> 01:16:44,510
their death or sometime in the future

1731
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:46,790
even during their lifetime if they would

1732
01:16:51,459 --> 01:16:49,010
like but the idea of creating a an

1733
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:51,469
estate planning tool to preserve these

1734
01:16:55,899 --> 01:16:53,210
documents is something I've always been

1735
01:16:59,129 --> 01:16:55,909
interested in doing my 30 years as a

1736
01:17:01,600 --> 01:16:59,139
career as an attorney so I was uh I

1737
01:17:04,050 --> 01:17:01,610
still am hoping that there are other

1738
01:17:06,370 --> 01:17:04,060
people out there that got cooperative

1739
01:17:10,270 --> 01:17:06,380
documentation about some of these

1740
01:17:12,189 --> 01:17:10,280
meetings and issues that might be able

1741
01:17:16,149 --> 01:17:12,199
to corroborate what's in the 15 page

1742
01:17:19,570 --> 01:17:16,159
memo mm-hmm well we'll just have to see

1743
01:17:23,109 --> 01:17:19,580
what what plays out in time and I was

1744
01:17:25,450 --> 01:17:23,119
hoping to get a caller to you know about

1745
01:17:28,810 --> 01:17:25,460
this document before we moved on but

1746
01:17:32,020 --> 01:17:28,820
that's okay so the Mount Abraham's I

1747
01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:32,030
think that no Mount Adams incident yes I

1748
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:35,170
know you did you were involved in

1749
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:37,489
speaking about that can you tell us what

1750
01:17:39,399 --> 01:17:37,850
that is

1751
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:39,409
I don't even know if I'm familiar with

1752
01:17:44,649 --> 01:17:42,530
that I might it might I might catch on

1753
01:17:47,290 --> 01:17:44,659
once you start but go ahead and talk

1754
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:47,300
about that if you would well yeah thanks

1755
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:50,690
Martha the the UFO I team that I founded

1756
01:17:56,890 --> 01:17:53,330
and direct is a group of highly

1757
01:17:59,350 --> 01:17:56,900
sophisticated and educated field

1758
01:18:01,060 --> 01:17:59,360
investigators of UFOs a paranormal

1759
01:18:02,740 --> 01:18:01,070
Bigfoot and all those kinds of things

1760
01:18:06,459 --> 01:18:02,750
and we typically go out in various

1761
01:18:09,129 --> 01:18:06,469
expeditions during the years during the

1762
01:18:11,410 --> 01:18:09,139
summer a lot but you know all year long

1763
01:18:13,870 --> 01:18:11,420
one of our last ones this past weekend

1764
01:18:16,689 --> 01:18:13,880
was at Mount Baker Washington which is

1765
01:18:19,379 --> 01:18:16,699
high in the North Cascades almost at the

1766
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:19,389
Canadian border matter of fact right

1767
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:21,770
next to the border there was a group of

1768
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:24,650
seven mountains called the Pleiades that

1769
01:18:29,500 --> 01:18:27,050
can be seen from the foothills of Mount

1770
01:18:32,459 --> 01:18:29,510
Baker that we take our sophisticated

1771
01:18:35,979 --> 01:18:32,469
gear with up with us night-vision

1772
01:18:39,910 --> 01:18:35,989
photography FLIR photography you know

1773
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:39,920
stop action and you know video and all

1774
01:18:44,649 --> 01:18:41,650
that kind of stuff and we record

1775
01:18:46,540 --> 01:18:44,659
anomalous aerial activity all the time

1776
01:18:49,030 --> 01:18:46,550
in that general neck of the woods mal

1777
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:49,040
Baker is just in a very unique place in

1778
01:18:55,660 --> 01:18:52,850
the fact that there that's about Mount

1779
01:18:58,270 --> 01:18:55,670
Baker itself is about 10,000 feet this

1780
01:19:01,120 --> 01:18:58,280
location and we basically go to is

1781
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:01,130
called artist point which is a beautiful

1782
01:19:08,050 --> 01:19:05,210
view north across the Canadian border to

1783
01:19:11,620 --> 01:19:08,060
the Pleiades and the other Mount Shuksan

1784
01:19:14,470 --> 01:19:11,630
and other peaks in the area and we don't

1785
01:19:16,660 --> 01:19:14,480
hardly ever go up to that expedition at

1786
01:19:21,220 --> 01:19:16,670
Mount Baker and get skunked as far as

1787
01:19:22,930 --> 01:19:21,230
our recording UFOs on tape and being

1788
01:19:27,390 --> 01:19:22,940
able to analyze you know what we're

1789
01:19:31,330 --> 01:19:27,400
seeing there seems to be at least one

1790
01:19:34,510 --> 01:19:31,340
group of UFOs that we see periodically

1791
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:34,520
that kind of disappear into the mountain

1792
01:19:38,530 --> 01:19:36,530
they almost look like they could be

1793
01:19:41,620 --> 01:19:38,540
shooting stars you know you would see a

1794
01:19:44,050 --> 01:19:41,630
white streak of light coming down at a

1795
01:19:46,030 --> 01:19:44,060
various different angles but they seem

1796
01:19:48,550 --> 01:19:46,040
to be going almost like a magnetic

1797
01:19:52,510 --> 01:19:48,560
anomaly into the mountain from different

1798
01:19:55,419 --> 01:19:52,520
parts of the sky that's been very unique

1799
01:19:57,580 --> 01:19:55,429
for us to figure out why these if they

1800
01:20:01,270 --> 01:19:57,590
are shooting stars why are they being

1801
01:20:05,590 --> 01:20:01,280
drawn towards a one location on you know

1802
01:20:08,260 --> 01:20:05,600
an area in Mal Baker and not just seeing

1803
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:08,270
streaking across the sky horizontally or

1804
01:20:10,990 --> 01:20:10,010
in different directions so that's

1805
01:20:14,379 --> 01:20:11,000
interesting

1806
01:20:16,300 --> 01:20:14,389
we also have a local member of our group

1807
01:20:20,020 --> 01:20:16,310
up there in the small little town of

1808
01:20:23,010 --> 01:20:20,030
glacier Washington who is able to set up

1809
01:20:26,220 --> 01:20:23,020
a very inexpensive Nikon

1810
01:20:28,410 --> 01:20:26,230
pics video camera on a tripod and he

1811
01:20:31,980 --> 01:20:28,420
takes videos that are only like a minute

1812
01:20:34,140 --> 01:20:31,990
two minutes long at 49 frames per second

1813
01:20:36,750 --> 01:20:34,150
like a normal video camera of that size

1814
01:20:40,830 --> 01:20:36,760
would take then he runs it through his

1815
01:20:44,510 --> 01:20:40,840
laptop computer frame by frame and he is

1816
01:20:46,980 --> 01:20:44,520
capturing in daytime by the way

1817
01:20:51,030 --> 01:20:46,990
anomalous craft traveling through his

1818
01:20:54,650 --> 01:20:51,040
field of vision in three frames now when

1819
01:20:59,220 --> 01:20:54,660
you do the math on 49 frames per second

1820
01:21:01,410 --> 01:20:59,230
in a short video and you realize that an

1821
01:21:03,660 --> 01:21:01,420
object is traveling through the field of

1822
01:21:05,820 --> 01:21:03,670
view and three frames is well over

1823
01:21:08,550 --> 01:21:05,830
twenty thousand miles an hour that these

1824
01:21:12,270 --> 01:21:08,560
things are traveling there uh you know

1825
01:21:14,970 --> 01:21:12,280
triangle shapes their V shapes their

1826
01:21:16,740 --> 01:21:14,980
saucer shapes and basically these things

1827
01:21:18,570 --> 01:21:16,750
are going so fast you cannot see them

1828
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:18,580
with your naked eye unless you have the

1829
01:21:25,050 --> 01:21:21,610
ability to go frame by frame and and do

1830
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:25,060
the analysis on the videos so we've even

1831
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:28,210
recorded those things going from the sky

1832
01:21:34,350 --> 01:21:31,930
down to the water in a lake up there

1833
01:21:37,140 --> 01:21:34,360
called Silver Lake and recorded them

1834
01:21:38,810 --> 01:21:37,150
going under the water and not even

1835
01:21:40,860 --> 01:21:38,820
slowing down not even making a splash

1836
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:40,870
coming out of the water and shooting

1837
01:21:46,350 --> 01:21:44,530
into the sky with on videotape as you go

1838
01:21:48,990 --> 01:21:46,360
through it frame by frame that's that's

1839
01:21:51,390 --> 01:21:49,000
how anomalous aircraft is being sighted

1840
01:21:53,700 --> 01:21:51,400
all the time in just that one area in

1841
01:21:56,580 --> 01:21:53,710
the state of Washington isn't that

1842
01:21:59,190 --> 01:21:56,590
something so you know I I've thought a

1843
01:22:03,180 --> 01:21:59,200
lot about you know the way technology is

1844
01:22:06,930 --> 01:22:03,190
is changing you know changing things as

1845
01:22:10,950 --> 01:22:06,940
far as especially as far as when you

1846
01:22:13,950 --> 01:22:10,960
know you're talking about being able to

1847
01:22:15,870 --> 01:22:13,960
see things in different scales or

1848
01:22:19,260 --> 01:22:15,880
whatever that you haven't you know no

1849
01:22:21,690 --> 01:22:19,270
one has seen before and so a lot of that

1850
01:22:24,060 --> 01:22:21,700
as technology grows I think we're gonna

1851
01:22:26,490 --> 01:22:24,070
see more and more you know I mean oh

1852
01:22:28,440 --> 01:22:26,500
yeah but what's in there fact there

1853
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:28,450
there is an interesting aspect of that

1854
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:30,610
Martin whether you just brought up where

1855
01:22:35,310 --> 01:22:32,530
you know a Kevin day

1856
01:22:35,919 --> 01:22:35,320
yeah and in Gary Voorhees and these guys

1857
01:22:41,350 --> 01:22:35,929
on the

1858
01:22:43,540 --> 01:22:41,360
the aircraft carrier group they

1859
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:43,550
mentioned the fact that all of a sudden

1860
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:45,530
when they got an upgrade to this super

1861
01:22:51,310 --> 01:22:48,770
spy-1 radar system yeah that's when they

1862
01:22:54,820 --> 01:22:51,320
started seeing the tic-tac UFOs in

1863
01:22:57,550 --> 01:22:54,830
flights right five to ten at a time over

1864
01:23:00,939 --> 01:22:57,560
a ten day period up there so it's the

1865
01:23:04,930 --> 01:23:00,949
idea that technology is now kind of

1866
01:23:06,490 --> 01:23:04,940
coming into the you know the field that

1867
01:23:08,530 --> 01:23:06,500
will allow us to see these things that

1868
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:08,540
maybe have always been there when you

1869
01:23:12,970 --> 01:23:10,730
heard about the new project that they

1870
01:23:15,729 --> 01:23:12,980
are working on and go back through

1871
01:23:19,330 --> 01:23:15,739
Catalina Island and see if they can find

1872
01:23:22,750 --> 01:23:19,340
those tic-tac flights again no no I have

1873
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:22,760
not heard this I'm hoping that that

1874
01:23:27,790 --> 01:23:24,890
Kevin day won't like jump on me for

1875
01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:27,800
disclosing this oh that might be what he

1876
01:23:32,770 --> 01:23:29,449
said in the chat room a little bit

1877
01:23:34,750 --> 01:23:32,780
earlier that he has something to come

1878
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:34,760
out here it is that's it

1879
01:23:40,209 --> 01:23:37,610
well I've been I've been very fortunate

1880
01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:40,219
to be working with Kevin and the gang

1881
01:23:45,220 --> 01:23:42,489
you know at the Nimitz a UFO encounter

1882
01:23:48,430 --> 01:23:45,230
because what they have found out by the

1883
01:23:52,649 --> 01:23:48,440
way is that for some reason that flight

1884
01:23:55,870 --> 01:23:52,659
of the multiple flights of diptych UFOs

1885
01:23:58,240 --> 01:23:55,880
seems to have corresponded with the

1886
01:24:00,459 --> 01:23:58,250
actual whale migrations that were going

1887
01:24:03,850 --> 01:24:00,469
on at the exact same time and November

1888
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:03,860
in 2004 when this thing was being these

1889
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:05,690
things were being cited so they haven't

1890
01:24:12,270 --> 01:24:09,050
put together a project proposal through

1891
01:24:15,220 --> 01:24:12,280
New York University being funded by

1892
01:24:18,100 --> 01:24:15,230
crowdfunding and other kinds of sources

1893
01:24:20,770 --> 01:24:18,110
of an expedition they're actually going

1894
01:24:23,380 --> 01:24:20,780
back out to Catalina Island in that area

1895
01:24:25,660 --> 01:24:23,390
during November and they are going to

1896
01:24:27,419 --> 01:24:25,670
try to find out if there's any

1897
01:24:31,750 --> 01:24:27,429
correlation between this Scripps

1898
01:24:34,959 --> 01:24:31,760
Institute data of will whale migrations

1899
01:24:36,939 --> 01:24:34,969
and the fact that the UFOs seem to be

1900
01:24:40,270 --> 01:24:36,949
coming potentially from an underground

1901
01:24:42,669 --> 01:24:40,280
base off of Catalina Island following

1902
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:42,679
the whale migrations for some reason and

1903
01:24:47,830 --> 01:24:45,290
then disappearing again in the water and

1904
01:24:50,530 --> 01:24:47,840
in off of Mexico and the

1905
01:24:53,230 --> 01:24:50,540
is down there the theory being that if

1906
01:24:56,020 --> 01:24:53,240
for instance these whales are sentient

1907
01:24:58,630 --> 01:24:56,030
beings maybe there is either a

1908
01:25:00,160 --> 01:24:58,640
correlation with UFOs and the

1909
01:25:03,070 --> 01:25:00,170
communication they are having with

1910
01:25:05,650 --> 01:25:03,080
whales and or just the UFOs are studying

1911
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:05,660
the whales and their migrations as well

1912
01:25:11,650 --> 01:25:08,570
so that's a fascinating project that

1913
01:25:15,580 --> 01:25:11,660
they're coming up with they call it new

1914
01:25:17,440 --> 01:25:15,590
AP expedition they're coming up with

1915
01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:17,450
well maybe the whales are studying the

1916
01:25:25,930 --> 01:25:20,690
UFOs how do we know we would not like

1917
01:25:27,610 --> 01:25:25,940
what you think yeah maybe the whales are

1918
01:25:28,990 --> 01:25:27,620
the ones in charge here on the planet

1919
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:29,000
they're just like you know dealing with

1920
01:25:35,340 --> 01:25:30,890
the eyes that are coming to visit yeah

1921
01:25:43,180 --> 01:25:40,090
all right so interesting no I didn't

1922
01:25:45,370 --> 01:25:43,190
know that but I I thought I read in your

1923
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:45,380
bio somewhere about the Mount Adams

1924
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:48,410
incident did I get that wrong no you're

1925
01:25:53,230 --> 01:25:51,890
right on review all right I thought you

1926
01:25:54,820 --> 01:25:53,240
were talking about Mount Baker and I

1927
01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:54,830
thought oh no I got I got the wrong

1928
01:25:59,500 --> 01:25:57,050
mountain so what is that what is the

1929
01:26:03,010 --> 01:25:59,510
Mount Adams incident well the Mount

1930
01:26:04,930 --> 01:26:03,020
Adams incident is Mount Adams Washington

1931
01:26:07,180 --> 01:26:04,940
which is almost in Oregon by the way the

1932
01:26:09,010 --> 01:26:07,190
southern part of this date almost South

1933
01:26:12,340 --> 01:26:09,020
Central Washington State

1934
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:12,350
another main mountain in the chain from

1935
01:26:18,580 --> 01:26:15,730
Mount st. Helens Mount Rainier Baker

1936
01:26:20,980 --> 01:26:18,590
than the Cascade Mountain Range goes

1937
01:26:22,990 --> 01:26:20,990
through the entire state but the Mount

1938
01:26:25,330 --> 01:26:23,000
Adams incident was just a strangely you

1939
01:26:29,290 --> 01:26:25,340
know down at Mount Adams there is the e

1940
01:26:31,660 --> 01:26:29,300
city ranch run by james gilliland and if

1941
01:26:34,870 --> 01:26:31,670
you've ever received any information or

1942
01:26:36,490 --> 01:26:34,880
gone to visit in East Eddy you were

1943
01:26:39,580 --> 01:26:36,500
pretty much guaranteed to see some

1944
01:26:42,190 --> 01:26:39,590
anomalous aerial activity down there

1945
01:26:44,610 --> 01:26:42,200
Jimmy Church has recorded some stuff on

1946
01:26:47,890 --> 01:26:44,620
tape there's been some very interesting

1947
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:47,900
studies done about the UFOs that seemed

1948
01:26:53,740 --> 01:26:50,210
to be coming out of the mountain and

1949
01:26:57,100 --> 01:26:53,750
going across that area so we did last

1950
01:27:00,280 --> 01:26:57,110
year expedition down to Mount Adams as

1951
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:00,290
well we ran into the first major thing

1952
01:27:06,790 --> 01:27:01,250
was a

1953
01:27:09,100 --> 01:27:06,800
a huge white glowing object below the

1954
01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:09,110
cloud level by the way of about 2,000

1955
01:27:15,070 --> 01:27:11,930
feet this was like a light that was

1956
01:27:17,229 --> 01:27:15,080
shining very brightly coming from our

1957
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:17,239
left to our right across the sky watch

1958
01:27:23,770 --> 01:27:21,050
field he said II ranch and this was a

1959
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:23,780
mountain midnight on a Friday night

1960
01:27:31,060 --> 01:27:27,770
and all of a sudden this dog this craft

1961
01:27:33,850 --> 01:27:31,070
starts flaring up it's bright to begin

1962
01:27:35,709 --> 01:27:33,860
with and it just like flaring up so

1963
01:27:38,979 --> 01:27:35,719
brightly that it's almost like a flash

1964
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:38,989
flare coming out and going back down did

1965
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:40,730
that four times when I got right in

1966
01:27:46,270 --> 01:27:43,810
front of us at about a 90-degree angle

1967
01:27:48,610 --> 01:27:46,280
actually maybe a 70 degree angle in

1968
01:27:50,740 --> 01:27:48,620
front of our equipment actually you know

1969
01:27:53,229 --> 01:27:50,750
like a laser flash right into our

1970
01:27:56,530 --> 01:27:53,239
cameras which we caught on tape it's

1971
01:27:59,620 --> 01:27:56,540
just very astronomical to see it's

1972
01:28:01,810 --> 01:27:59,630
almost as if someone was trying to get

1973
01:28:02,350 --> 01:28:01,820
us a message or at least get our

1974
01:28:05,229 --> 01:28:02,360
attention

1975
01:28:07,150 --> 01:28:05,239
our batteries on our cameras immediately

1976
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:07,160
like died Wow something like that

1977
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:09,890
happens always always there plane yeah

1978
01:28:14,500 --> 01:28:12,050
it's just fantastic matter of fact we've

1979
01:28:16,950 --> 01:28:14,510
got a guy named Lee Strauss on our team

1980
01:28:19,990 --> 01:28:16,960
who has now figured out a Faraday cage

1981
01:28:21,820 --> 01:28:20,000
fabric to put around our batteries so

1982
01:28:24,370 --> 01:28:21,830
that we can prevent that you know from

1983
01:28:28,180 --> 01:28:24,380
that point but also we had during that

1984
01:28:31,300 --> 01:28:28,190
same expedition a Bigfoot cast just days

1985
01:28:35,830 --> 01:28:31,310
before we were we got to the Yeti ranch

1986
01:28:39,790 --> 01:28:35,840
of juvenile Bigfoot with about a 15 inch

1987
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:39,800
long Bigfoot cast that we got to to see

1988
01:28:45,100 --> 01:28:43,489
and we heard then after that we went to

1989
01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:45,110
talk a lot lake which is on the other

1990
01:28:49,750 --> 01:28:47,690
side of the mountain and experienced

1991
01:28:50,650 --> 01:28:49,760
these magnetic anomalies that were just

1992
01:28:53,770 --> 01:28:50,660
amazing

1993
01:28:55,570 --> 01:28:53,780
the idea being that when we had

1994
01:28:57,640 --> 01:28:55,580
different compasses about four of them

1995
01:28:59,050 --> 01:28:57,650
around our campsite all of them pointed

1996
01:29:00,729 --> 01:28:59,060
in a different direction

1997
01:29:04,060 --> 01:29:00,739
being north being in a different

1998
01:29:06,310 --> 01:29:04,070
direction we had some Bigfoot activity

1999
01:29:09,189 --> 01:29:06,320
that night with stick breaks and wood

2000
01:29:10,030 --> 01:29:09,199
knocks around our campsite at the edge

2001
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:10,040
of the lake

2002
01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:13,250
chocka Locka lake and also during our

2003
01:29:17,060 --> 01:29:14,850
sky watches at night

2004
01:29:20,180 --> 01:29:17,070
we had a group that actually climbed the

2005
01:29:22,250 --> 01:29:20,190
mountain Mount Adams was about 10,000

2006
01:29:25,220 --> 01:29:22,260
feet tall and they were at the very top

2007
01:29:27,590 --> 01:29:25,230
of the mountain doing their Sky Watch

2008
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:27,600
when we were down at the lake doing our

2009
01:29:33,380 --> 01:29:29,850
Sky Watch and in the middle of the night

2010
01:29:35,810 --> 01:29:33,390
at the exact same time at 3:00 a.m. the

2011
01:29:38,780 --> 01:29:35,820
guys at the top of the mountain saw

2012
01:29:40,910 --> 01:29:38,790
these lights playing at the top on the

2013
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:40,920
top of their tent from the sky coming

2014
01:29:46,340 --> 01:29:43,410
down just kind of blasting their tent

2015
01:29:50,330 --> 01:29:46,350
out with some kind of a light source and

2016
01:29:53,390 --> 01:29:50,340
at 3 o'clock in the morning our time all

2017
01:29:56,060 --> 01:29:53,400
of our batteries on our cars our

2018
01:29:57,490 --> 01:29:56,070
vehicles died like three of them just

2019
01:30:01,820 --> 01:29:57,500
died in the middle of the night

2020
01:30:04,130 --> 01:30:01,830
including my CPAP machine Arden I sleep

2021
01:30:06,020 --> 01:30:04,140
with that now yeah for snoring I've

2022
01:30:07,850 --> 01:30:06,030
heard about that's right yeah oh I've

2023
01:30:09,770 --> 01:30:07,860
had that for my whole life and I sleep

2024
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:09,780
with that when I have a battery power

2025
01:30:14,900 --> 01:30:12,570
system which I did that night but the

2026
01:30:17,570 --> 01:30:14,910
idea being is that we have some missing

2027
01:30:20,630 --> 01:30:17,580
time reported as well because my CPAP

2028
01:30:23,410 --> 01:30:20,640
machine only registered an hour and 50

2029
01:30:26,180 --> 01:30:23,420
minutes worth of youth that night

2030
01:30:28,130 --> 01:30:26,190
because of some kind of anomaly that

2031
01:30:30,230 --> 01:30:28,140
happened either the battery died or

2032
01:30:31,670 --> 01:30:30,240
whatever but I didn't wake up in the

2033
01:30:34,700 --> 01:30:31,680
morning with a scratchy throat like I

2034
01:30:37,820 --> 01:30:34,710
normally would if I did use my CPAP

2035
01:30:41,660 --> 01:30:37,830
machine so the Mount Adams is and it was

2036
01:30:45,430 --> 01:30:41,670
just multiple versions of paranormal

2037
01:30:50,480 --> 01:30:45,440
activity all in one section of August

2038
01:30:52,220 --> 01:30:50,490
basically 27 2018 and today

2039
01:30:56,450 --> 01:30:52,230
should I just hear x-files music a

2040
01:30:58,850 --> 01:30:56,460
minute ago it was my phone was going off

2041
01:31:00,620 --> 01:30:58,860
okay I got the x-files ringtone sorry

2042
01:31:02,930 --> 01:31:00,630
that's all right you can put that on

2043
01:31:04,850 --> 01:31:02,940
silent if you would just in case it yeah

2044
01:31:09,440 --> 01:31:04,860
this is Oh oh thank you

2045
01:31:11,750 --> 01:31:09,450
and has a lot of other people commented

2046
01:31:13,730 --> 01:31:11,760
about that area I mean it's at a hot

2047
01:31:15,950 --> 01:31:13,740
spot more or less for four different

2048
01:31:18,380 --> 01:31:15,960
things it's a hot spot james gilliland

2049
01:31:18,860 --> 01:31:18,390
has owned the e city ranch for over 30

2050
01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:18,870
years

2051
01:31:23,810 --> 01:31:21,330
oh and this is in the east side a ranch

2052
01:31:26,260 --> 01:31:23,820
is there I see it is there at Mount

2053
01:31:27,890 --> 01:31:26,270
Adams yeah yeah you we typically make

2054
01:31:30,669 --> 01:31:27,900
expedition we're going down

2055
01:31:33,709 --> 01:31:30,679
there next month the UFO i-team to do

2056
01:31:36,200 --> 01:31:33,719
follow-up on our investigations down

2057
01:31:39,290 --> 01:31:36,210
there because we've got brand new gear

2058
01:31:41,390 --> 01:31:39,300
we've got large telescopes now we've got

2059
01:31:42,229 --> 01:31:41,400
we've got a gentleman named Dave Mason

2060
01:31:44,419 --> 01:31:42,239
on a UFO

2061
01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:44,429
iting who is invented a pair of

2062
01:31:50,450 --> 01:31:48,090
binoculars that turns light sources into

2063
01:31:53,450 --> 01:31:50,460
sound so if you're looking at a

2064
01:31:55,669 --> 01:31:53,460
commercial airplane it will translate to

2065
01:31:57,649 --> 01:31:55,679
a specific sound you can tell that's a

2066
01:31:59,540 --> 01:31:57,659
commercial airplane if you're looking at

2067
01:32:02,570 --> 01:31:59,550
an anomalous craft it'll have an

2068
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:02,580
anomalous sound that we can determine is

2069
01:32:07,729 --> 01:32:05,850
not terrestrial now here's the kicker

2070
01:32:11,330 --> 01:32:07,739
Martin you're gonna love this we have

2071
01:32:14,540 --> 01:32:11,340
the ability with Dave Mason's binoculars

2072
01:32:17,060 --> 01:32:14,550
that he's invented to send that same

2073
01:32:20,810 --> 01:32:17,070
frequency of sound back to the source

2074
01:32:22,729 --> 01:32:20,820
that's being that is sending it so we're

2075
01:32:24,890 --> 01:32:22,739
seeing an anomalous object we're gonna

2076
01:32:28,550 --> 01:32:24,900
bring that to Mount Adams and we're

2077
01:32:31,610 --> 01:32:28,560
going to broadcast right back to the UFO

2078
01:32:34,370 --> 01:32:31,620
if that's what it is their own frequency

2079
01:32:36,169 --> 01:32:34,380
that they are using to send their light

2080
01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:36,179
source to us because the theory being

2081
01:32:41,930 --> 01:32:39,570
that communication is what they use with

2082
01:32:45,050 --> 01:32:41,940
light sources is not necessarily you

2083
01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:45,060
know any you know kind of radio

2084
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:46,770
frequency or whatever like that we think

2085
01:32:51,439 --> 01:32:48,570
that they're communicating with light

2086
01:32:54,410 --> 01:32:51,449
sources hence that giant flash that we

2087
01:32:57,860 --> 01:32:54,420
recorded on tape at East Eddy ranch as

2088
01:32:59,990 --> 01:32:57,870
well from that one object Wow Stephen

2089
01:33:03,260 --> 01:33:00,000
Hawking would suggest you don't do that

2090
01:33:05,300 --> 01:33:03,270
I bet you know yeah I was thought of

2091
01:33:07,130 --> 01:33:05,310
that you know the whole idea well here's

2092
01:33:09,229 --> 01:33:07,140
the deal they they already know were

2093
01:33:11,180 --> 01:33:09,239
there so they wanted to wipe us out they

2094
01:33:14,090 --> 01:33:11,190
could do that very easily a long time

2095
01:33:18,020 --> 01:33:14,100
ago especially at East Eddy ranch since

2096
01:33:20,149 --> 01:33:18,030
we were blasted with that flash so what

2097
01:33:23,240 --> 01:33:20,159
we're doing is basically showing them

2098
01:33:25,209 --> 01:33:23,250
wherever they are hey we see you we're

2099
01:33:28,459 --> 01:33:25,219
sending you're singing right back to you

2100
01:33:31,250 --> 01:33:28,469
basically it's a ce-5 scenario hopefully

2101
01:33:33,290 --> 01:33:31,260
human con initiated contact you know

2102
01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:33,300
with extraterrestrials where we're

2103
01:33:36,680 --> 01:33:35,370
attempting that yeah well you know

2104
01:33:39,770 --> 01:33:36,690
there's Bend I'm sure you know there's a

2105
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:39,780
number of cases where people have you

2106
01:33:44,780 --> 01:33:41,610
know shown a flashlight up the far

2107
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:44,790
Guil case there's the allagash incident

2108
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:48,570
and i remember speaking with Fults about

2109
01:33:53,930 --> 01:33:51,650
that and i said why did you sign the

2110
01:33:56,060 --> 01:33:53,940
flashlight up at it you know and then

2111
01:33:58,790 --> 01:33:56,070
you know everything you know you know

2112
01:34:04,340 --> 01:33:58,800
how that went not so not so well yeah

2113
01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:04,350
and and speaking of not so well what do

2114
01:34:09,830 --> 01:34:06,090
you if you actually think that these are

2115
01:34:12,290 --> 01:34:09,840
aliens that are actually visiting or at

2116
01:34:14,060 --> 01:34:12,300
least some of them are what do you think

2117
01:34:18,229 --> 01:34:14,070
there are purposes what do you think

2118
01:34:21,229 --> 01:34:18,239
their agenda is you know that's a good

2119
01:34:24,470 --> 01:34:21,239
question you would think that if their

2120
01:34:26,660 --> 01:34:24,480
agenda is to get rid of our civilization

2121
01:34:29,419 --> 01:34:26,670
and take over the planet for their own

2122
01:34:30,950 --> 01:34:29,429
purposes resources or whatever you would

2123
01:34:33,410 --> 01:34:30,960
think they wouldn't have waited for us

2124
01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:33,420
to develop the atomic weapons that we

2125
01:34:36,890 --> 01:34:35,610
have I could have done that quite a

2126
01:34:39,979 --> 01:34:36,900
while ago as a matter of fact we've got

2127
01:34:43,669 --> 01:34:39,989
you know eons and eons worth of

2128
01:34:47,229 --> 01:34:43,679
testimony from various civilizations the

2129
01:34:49,660 --> 01:34:47,239
Egyptians and the Sumerians that the

2130
01:34:52,820 --> 01:34:49,670
Anunnaki have been here on the planet

2131
01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:52,830
interacting with our species for for

2132
01:34:56,479 --> 01:34:54,330
many many years

2133
01:35:01,040 --> 01:34:56,489
maybe from the very beginning of life on

2134
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:01,050
the planet so you wonder what the agenda

2135
01:35:06,620 --> 01:35:02,850
could be other than the fact that

2136
01:35:08,689 --> 01:35:06,630
potentially they are if there is a

2137
01:35:10,970 --> 01:35:08,699
federation of planets out there or

2138
01:35:14,149 --> 01:35:10,980
whatever they are hoping that we are

2139
01:35:16,729 --> 01:35:14,159
going to join them off the planet in a

2140
01:35:18,950 --> 01:35:16,739
peaceful manner maybe that's why they're

2141
01:35:21,439 --> 01:35:18,960
shutting down some of our nukes you know

2142
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:21,449
the military officers are reporting and

2143
01:35:25,790 --> 01:35:23,850
those kinds of things I'm hoping that

2144
01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:25,800
it's going to be a positive

2145
01:35:31,790 --> 01:35:28,850
you know outcome for us and indeed the

2146
01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:31,800
basic you know consciousness level of

2147
01:35:37,790 --> 01:35:35,250
the planet is very quickly rising above

2148
01:35:39,979 --> 01:35:37,800
what we used to be I know I've got four

2149
01:35:41,830 --> 01:35:39,989
adult children myself and they're total

2150
01:35:44,330 --> 01:35:41,840
different human beings than I ever was

2151
01:35:45,859 --> 01:35:44,340
and they're pretty much got very

2152
01:35:48,770 --> 01:35:45,869
comfortable with the idea of

2153
01:35:51,830 --> 01:35:48,780
extraterrestrial life and our

2154
01:35:53,629 --> 01:35:51,840
interaction in space with them you know

2155
01:35:55,560 --> 01:35:53,639
one of the things I have brought up a

2156
01:35:58,350 --> 01:35:55,570
couple of times on this is

2157
01:36:00,169 --> 01:35:58,360
we're when you're framing it like that

2158
01:36:03,209 --> 01:36:00,179
you're actually framing it in a way that

2159
01:36:06,830 --> 01:36:03,219
they would think like us or possibly

2160
01:36:09,799 --> 01:36:06,840
have some attributes that we have I

2161
01:36:12,629 --> 01:36:09,809
personally think that we have no idea of

2162
01:36:15,270 --> 01:36:12,639
an agenda or how they could possibly

2163
01:36:17,879 --> 01:36:15,280
think you know just think of the

2164
01:36:21,810 --> 01:36:17,889
differences of how an intelligence can

2165
01:36:24,209 --> 01:36:21,820
you know evolve so I don't know I don't

2166
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:24,219
know if that's you know I do know that's

2167
01:36:29,339 --> 01:36:28,090
up you know I've had a listener make a

2168
01:36:31,169 --> 01:36:29,349
really good point in the chatroom a

2169
01:36:32,729 --> 01:36:31,179
little while back you know if they're

2170
01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:32,739
trying to hide from us why do they have

2171
01:36:37,140 --> 01:36:35,170
lights I remember he posted that in it

2172
01:36:41,250 --> 01:36:37,150
and it's so true the so good point yeah

2173
01:36:43,830 --> 01:36:41,260
and so I I think you know whatever it is

2174
01:36:47,609 --> 01:36:43,840
whoever it is is actually letting us

2175
01:36:50,759 --> 01:36:47,619
know that they're here but why you know

2176
01:36:52,890 --> 01:36:50,769
why if there's life on so many planets

2177
01:36:55,589 --> 01:36:52,900
out there why are they coming here and

2178
01:36:57,029 --> 01:36:55,599
and are they going there as well you

2179
01:37:00,990 --> 01:36:57,039
know I mean there's so many questions we

2180
01:37:04,020 --> 01:37:01,000
have really yeah and in reality you

2181
01:37:09,410 --> 01:37:04,030
wonder you know the whole idea of why

2182
01:37:12,959 --> 01:37:09,420
now why are we things that's a rise in

2183
01:37:15,240 --> 01:37:12,969
activity Peter Davenport from an African

2184
01:37:17,250 --> 01:37:15,250
UFO Reporting Center says that sightings

2185
01:37:18,509 --> 01:37:17,260
are going through the roof right now of

2186
01:37:19,759 --> 01:37:18,519
course you know that might have

2187
01:37:22,229 --> 01:37:19,769
something to do with the unidentified

2188
01:37:24,600 --> 01:37:22,239
television series yeah blue project

2189
01:37:26,970 --> 01:37:24,610
Bluebook and all the mainstream media

2190
01:37:29,100 --> 01:37:26,980
now jumping on board yeah but that again

2191
01:37:31,740 --> 01:37:29,110
you go to the bottom line why did the

2192
01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:31,750
mainstream media get green-lighted to do

2193
01:37:37,169 --> 01:37:34,690
this just recently so it's very possible

2194
01:37:39,540 --> 01:37:37,179
that something major is about to happen

2195
01:37:41,790 --> 01:37:39,550
either that when something major has

2196
01:37:44,669 --> 01:37:41,800
already happened and the powers that be

2197
01:37:45,930 --> 01:37:44,679
need to get ahead of the spin that's one

2198
01:37:49,169 --> 01:37:45,940
thing there's there's just no

2199
01:37:52,979 --> 01:37:49,179
explanation of why of all the slow

2200
01:37:54,930 --> 01:37:52,989
dripping disclosure over the 72 years

2201
01:37:58,680 --> 01:37:54,940
from you know Roswell New Mexico

2202
01:38:01,290 --> 01:37:58,690
why so quickly now that it's happening

2203
01:38:05,029 --> 01:38:01,300
that's fascinating subject for me to

2204
01:38:08,669 --> 01:38:05,039
ponder yeah I remember I interviewed

2205
01:38:09,100 --> 01:38:08,679
Stan Freedman right after that December

2206
01:38:12,430 --> 01:38:09,110
6

2207
01:38:15,160 --> 01:38:12,440
to 2017 New York Times article came out

2208
01:38:18,189 --> 01:38:15,170
and he said you know his big question

2209
01:38:21,100 --> 01:38:18,199
was why now you know why is it why is it

2210
01:38:24,939 --> 01:38:21,110
now why are they admitting it now that

2211
01:38:26,500 --> 01:38:24,949
type of thing and it could be you know

2212
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:26,510
there are people that are speculating

2213
01:38:31,300 --> 01:38:28,330
that it's just more disinformation

2214
01:38:33,729 --> 01:38:31,310
doesn't mean anything people are you

2215
01:38:35,770 --> 01:38:33,739
know speculating that Lou Elizondo

2216
01:38:37,510 --> 01:38:35,780
himself as a disinformation agent I'm

2217
01:38:38,979 --> 01:38:37,520
sure you've heard that you know kicked

2218
01:38:42,370 --> 01:38:38,989
around a lot he's heard it enough

2219
01:38:46,510 --> 01:38:42,380
himself and I I don't know you know

2220
01:38:48,310 --> 01:38:46,520
it'll be another thing we'll see in

2221
01:38:49,990 --> 01:38:48,320
another while what is going to happen

2222
01:38:53,260 --> 01:38:50,000
looks like we have a caller calling in

2223
01:38:56,260 --> 01:38:53,270
I'll take that now call me your first

2224
01:38:58,330 --> 01:38:56,270
name where you're calling from my first

2225
01:39:02,919 --> 01:38:58,340
name is Chantel and I'm calling from

2226
01:39:04,419 --> 01:39:02,929
Ohio hi there welcome to the show thank

2227
01:39:06,640 --> 01:39:04,429
you I've never called him to a show

2228
01:39:09,790 --> 01:39:06,650
before but I'm hearing you talk about

2229
01:39:14,770 --> 01:39:09,800
why now why is all this coming out I

2230
01:39:17,020 --> 01:39:14,780
heard it was from someone from the

2231
01:39:18,790 --> 01:39:17,030
Denton report it was the person who had

2232
01:39:20,350 --> 01:39:18,800
that show and I hadn't heard of that

2233
01:39:23,050 --> 01:39:20,360
before and I can't even remember what

2234
01:39:25,479 --> 01:39:23,060
show it was on she was discussing that

2235
01:39:28,479 --> 01:39:25,489
three different channelers who she said

2236
01:39:30,459 --> 01:39:28,489
were very knowledgeable had said that

2237
01:39:33,370 --> 01:39:30,469
they had been told by whoever was

2238
01:39:37,570 --> 01:39:33,380
speaking to them whatever entity a lien

2239
01:39:40,930 --> 01:39:37,580
or whatever that there is a time frame

2240
01:39:45,220 --> 01:39:40,940
and the time is fast approaching she

2241
01:39:47,919 --> 01:39:45,230
said it varies between 2020 and 2025 and

2242
01:39:50,439 --> 01:39:47,929
then one was like 2030 they will be

2243
01:39:52,570 --> 01:39:50,449
revealed but she said it was they said

2244
01:39:56,260 --> 01:39:52,580
if we don't get our act together to

2245
01:39:59,669 --> 01:39:56,270
protect ourselves that we would be have

2246
01:40:01,899 --> 01:39:59,679
a very horrible end and she said it's

2247
01:40:07,689 --> 01:40:01,909
horrible and she didn't want to discuss

2248
01:40:10,090 --> 01:40:07,699
it interesting oh I don't yes it's it

2249
01:40:12,580 --> 01:40:10,100
doesn't sound good and I mean I know

2250
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:12,590
some say they're all friendly and

2251
01:40:16,300 --> 01:40:14,810
they're all good well it's just like us

2252
01:40:19,750 --> 01:40:16,310
we're not all friendly we're not all

2253
01:40:21,459 --> 01:40:19,760
good and so anyway that's why she said

2254
01:40:22,720 --> 01:40:21,469
this is being stepped up because they're

2255
01:40:24,580 --> 01:40:22,730
trying to get a concert

2256
01:40:27,490 --> 01:40:24,590
the foot is going to go on and that we

2257
01:40:29,440 --> 01:40:27,500
need to we need to more or less band

2258
01:40:31,540 --> 01:40:29,450
together and straighten up our act and

2259
01:40:36,400 --> 01:40:31,550
start working with good ones

2260
01:40:38,080 --> 01:40:36,410
so anyway well yeah I mean it would be

2261
01:40:41,620 --> 01:40:38,090
interesting if any of that could be

2262
01:40:43,510 --> 01:40:41,630
verified you know and yes and I also

2263
01:40:45,670 --> 01:40:43,520
think as a species if there's money

2264
01:40:49,030 --> 01:40:45,680
money is involved we're not going to

2265
01:40:51,040 --> 01:40:49,040
change anything you know we'll lose our

2266
01:40:54,010 --> 01:40:51,050
environment it doesn't matter if money's

2267
01:40:56,350 --> 01:40:54,020
involved money seems to rule so the

2268
01:40:59,530 --> 01:40:56,360
aliens got to start paying us to get our

2269
01:41:02,650 --> 01:40:59,540
act together I think that's it Wow yeah

2270
01:41:04,660 --> 01:41:02,660
it was she has her own radio show

2271
01:41:06,760 --> 01:41:04,670
against the internet showed that damson

2272
01:41:08,440 --> 01:41:06,770
report Laurie I want to say Lori bent

2273
01:41:09,820 --> 01:41:08,450
and I'd never heard of her before but

2274
01:41:11,140 --> 01:41:09,830
she was very knowledgeable and then I

2275
01:41:14,410 --> 01:41:11,150
started something out

2276
01:41:17,370 --> 01:41:14,420
oh no you're talking Chantal you're

2277
01:41:20,200 --> 01:41:17,380
probably talking about Lori and Fenton

2278
01:41:22,030 --> 01:41:20,210
Danton that's right I'm horrible name

2279
01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:22,040
yeah yeah she's a she's a great friend

2280
01:41:28,600 --> 01:41:24,410
of mine and a good doc show hostesses

2281
01:41:30,790 --> 01:41:28,610
also what's on major UFO conferences

2282
01:41:42,010 --> 01:41:30,800
herself so yeah you got to continue

2283
01:41:44,140 --> 01:41:42,020
following laurieandjilly anyways I just

2284
01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:44,150
wanted to throw that into the mix thank

2285
01:41:50,740 --> 01:41:46,690
you - do you want to comment on that

2286
01:41:53,260 --> 01:41:50,750
that thought at all Michael well I think

2287
01:41:56,770 --> 01:41:53,270
can tell is very perceptive in that

2288
01:42:00,910 --> 01:41:56,780
regard I mean there are indeed reasons

2289
01:42:04,840 --> 01:42:00,920
why now would be very important either

2290
01:42:06,820 --> 01:42:04,850
there is going to be some major you know

2291
01:42:09,400 --> 01:42:06,830
problem with the powers that be losing

2292
01:42:12,100 --> 01:42:09,410
control because there's maybe going to

2293
01:42:16,120 --> 01:42:12,110
be outright contact coming down the line

2294
01:42:19,240 --> 01:42:16,130
or there could be that negative aspect

2295
01:42:23,410 --> 01:42:19,250
of this entire thing that we need to

2296
01:42:26,200 --> 01:42:23,420
prepare for to survive so there's two

2297
01:42:28,990 --> 01:42:26,210
kind of thoughts on that whole thing and

2298
01:42:30,670 --> 01:42:29,000
I think it's good to be discerning on

2299
01:42:32,590 --> 01:42:30,680
both of this I think that's why my

2300
01:42:35,110 --> 01:42:32,600
Martin show is such a great opportunity

2301
01:42:36,390 --> 01:42:35,120
for people to talk about these subjects

2302
01:42:38,340 --> 01:42:36,400
because you know

2303
01:42:40,500 --> 01:42:38,350
you don't always want to go one side or

2304
01:42:45,600 --> 01:42:40,510
the other when you get information a lot

2305
01:42:48,419 --> 01:42:45,610
to be discerning true-true yeah it's

2306
01:42:52,590 --> 01:42:48,429
it's just a very interesting subject and

2307
01:42:55,439 --> 01:42:52,600
there's so many different facets of it

2308
01:42:56,970 --> 01:42:55,449
but you could go on forever yeah that's

2309
01:43:00,060 --> 01:42:56,980
right that's what keeps me going

2310
01:43:04,620 --> 01:43:00,070
thanks for the call Chantel thank you

2311
01:43:06,750 --> 01:43:04,630
thank you bye bye alright so we do have

2312
01:43:10,260 --> 01:43:06,760
the line open for just about another 5

2313
01:43:12,479 --> 01:43:10,270
or probably not 10 minutes another 5

2314
01:43:16,770 --> 01:43:12,489
minutes or so if anyone wants to call in

2315
01:43:19,500 --> 01:43:16,780
that number is 603 967 403 oh it's a

2316
01:43:20,040 --> 01:43:19,510
show show number only I get calls all

2317
01:43:22,979 --> 01:43:20,050
the time

2318
01:43:25,260 --> 01:43:22,989
so if anyone wants to call in there

2319
01:43:27,570 --> 01:43:25,270
they're welcome to I'm not sure about

2320
01:43:29,729 --> 01:43:27,580
the agenda thing you know I mean maybe

2321
01:43:33,660 --> 01:43:29,739
that is part of it

2322
01:43:36,720 --> 01:43:33,670
I don't know you know I mean I don't

2323
01:43:39,540 --> 01:43:36,730
know why the government felt like if

2324
01:43:41,850 --> 01:43:39,550
they are the ones that disclosed you

2325
01:43:43,050 --> 01:43:41,860
know this a tip thing and and and all

2326
01:43:46,050 --> 01:43:43,060
that there's still the so much

2327
01:43:48,500 --> 01:43:46,060
controversy about it I don't really know

2328
01:43:52,140 --> 01:43:48,510
you know I mean it's a it's a big puzzle

2329
01:43:54,450 --> 01:43:52,150
but it's a it certainly has changed the

2330
01:43:56,010 --> 01:43:54,460
dialect out there I mean for people to

2331
01:43:59,250 --> 01:43:56,020
be able to talk about this subject so a

2332
01:44:00,300 --> 01:43:59,260
lot more freely and you know yeah I

2333
01:44:02,700 --> 01:44:00,310
guess that's things it's a matter of

2334
01:44:05,340 --> 01:44:02,710
people involved as a matter of fact you

2335
01:44:09,149 --> 01:44:05,350
know when the world UFO day happened

2336
01:44:11,580 --> 01:44:09,159
just recently this was the first time

2337
01:44:14,610 --> 01:44:11,590
that I had got gotten contacted by the

2338
01:44:16,890 --> 01:44:14,620
mainstream media to give some small

2339
01:44:20,160 --> 01:44:16,900
little you know snippet reports on

2340
01:44:22,459 --> 01:44:20,170
mainstream Seattle news anyway about the

2341
01:44:24,990 --> 01:44:22,469
whole idea of a world UFO day

2342
01:44:26,790 --> 01:44:25,000
everybody's catching on to this subject

2343
01:44:29,870 --> 01:44:26,800
right now they find that the New York

2344
01:44:33,120 --> 01:44:29,880
Times is coming out porticoes coming out

2345
01:44:34,950 --> 01:44:33,130
you know Washington Post and then of

2346
01:44:37,470 --> 01:44:34,960
course all the mainstream you know

2347
01:44:39,930 --> 01:44:37,480
television series are happening so it's

2348
01:44:43,050 --> 01:44:39,940
almost like the stigma is going away now

2349
01:44:47,790 --> 01:44:43,060
yeah yeah and I'm wondering if this is

2350
01:44:51,300 --> 01:44:47,800
something that that may fade or you know

2351
01:44:56,850 --> 01:44:51,310
when I've spoken a number times

2352
01:44:59,430 --> 01:44:56,860
by email to both Leslie Kane and Ralph

2353
01:45:01,530 --> 01:44:59,440
Blumenthal they had part in that you

2354
01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:01,540
know New York Times story and they said

2355
01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:03,610
you know basically be patient you know

2356
01:45:08,790 --> 01:45:07,210
more is coming just be patient they've

2357
01:45:11,670 --> 01:45:08,800
both been on the show a number times and

2358
01:45:15,450 --> 01:45:11,680
Leslie is wants to lay low for some

2359
01:45:18,120 --> 01:45:15,460
reason now doesn't want to be on at

2360
01:45:21,510 --> 01:45:18,130
least my show maybe others I'm not sure

2361
01:45:23,100 --> 01:45:21,520
but same thing with Ralph they said you

2362
01:45:23,910 --> 01:45:23,110
know we have to be very careful with

2363
01:45:28,080 --> 01:45:23,920
what we're doing

2364
01:45:30,630 --> 01:45:28,090
so it's interesting but puzzling at the

2365
01:45:32,790 --> 01:45:30,640
same time you know yeah what more could

2366
01:45:35,790 --> 01:45:32,800
be coming out you know is there more to

2367
01:45:39,180 --> 01:45:35,800
be revealed no I've heard that same

2368
01:45:41,700 --> 01:45:39,190
thing learn that there are things coming

2369
01:45:43,890 --> 01:45:41,710
down the road I remember you know a few

2370
01:45:45,990 --> 01:45:43,900
months back were Tom DeLonge was saying

2371
01:45:47,790 --> 01:45:46,000
the same thing yes you know he initially

2372
01:45:49,710 --> 01:45:47,800
came out with a big push and then he

2373
01:45:51,720 --> 01:45:49,720
kind of held himself back and held back

2374
01:45:53,330 --> 01:45:51,730
and he said he really can't see me and

2375
01:45:56,310 --> 01:45:53,340
then all of a sudden you know the a tip

2376
01:45:58,440 --> 01:45:56,320
program hit big and the unidentified

2377
01:46:00,479 --> 01:45:58,450
television series came on and they

2378
01:46:03,030 --> 01:46:00,489
really started to push again so I've

2379
01:46:05,729 --> 01:46:03,040
heard that same thing from serious

2380
01:46:08,910 --> 01:46:05,739
apologists and insiders that there's

2381
01:46:10,800 --> 01:46:08,920
something coming down the road it's not

2382
01:46:14,160 --> 01:46:10,810
going to happen very quickly but it

2383
01:46:16,620 --> 01:46:14,170
won't be very long as well that would

2384
01:46:19,770 --> 01:46:16,630
kind of show you why they are doing this

2385
01:46:22,350 --> 01:46:19,780
program of quick disclosure at this

2386
01:46:25,500 --> 01:46:22,360
point it's almost confirmation of

2387
01:46:27,630 --> 01:46:25,510
certain issues so that people will not

2388
01:46:31,890 --> 01:46:27,640
be totally caught off guard when the

2389
01:46:34,200 --> 01:46:31,900
paradigm shift is happening right right

2390
01:46:40,140 --> 01:46:34,210
and you know it's it's hard to know also

2391
01:46:42,930 --> 01:46:40,150
if if you know we may discover within so

2392
01:46:46,050 --> 01:46:42,940
many years I think it's very possible we

2393
01:46:48,660 --> 01:46:46,060
may discover intelligent life on our own

2394
01:46:51,270 --> 01:46:48,670
you know I mean without just you know

2395
01:46:52,500 --> 01:46:51,280
like a UFO landing and someone coming

2396
01:46:56,040 --> 01:46:52,510
out on the White House lawn and that

2397
01:46:58,760 --> 01:46:56,050
type of thing but we may discover as our

2398
01:47:00,600 --> 01:46:58,770
technology grows we may have a way of

2399
01:47:03,020 --> 01:47:00,610
actually finding this I'm not sure

2400
01:47:04,260 --> 01:47:03,030
exactly what the James Webb telescope

2401
01:47:06,600 --> 01:47:04,270
will

2402
01:47:08,520 --> 01:47:06,610
as far as capabilities but I know it's a

2403
01:47:11,400 --> 01:47:08,530
you know pretty interesting is gonna be

2404
01:47:13,620 --> 01:47:11,410
a lot more than what we've had up there

2405
01:47:17,700 --> 01:47:13,630
and you know as it goes Kepler did a

2406
01:47:20,610 --> 01:47:17,710
wonderful thing I think and so as far as

2407
01:47:24,030 --> 01:47:20,620
us finding intelligent life or at least

2408
01:47:27,420 --> 01:47:24,040
life of the possibilities are growing

2409
01:47:29,520 --> 01:47:27,430
stronger everyday so I think it I think

2410
01:47:32,790 --> 01:47:29,530
is if there is a transition like if

2411
01:47:34,770 --> 01:47:32,800
tomorrow you know someone did land on

2412
01:47:36,990 --> 01:47:34,780
the White House lawn why they ever would

2413
01:47:40,560 --> 01:47:37,000
I have no idea but just to say that if

2414
01:47:42,240 --> 01:47:40,570
something like that happened you know I

2415
01:47:44,730 --> 01:47:42,250
don't think it would be a big shock

2416
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:44,740
anymore it's really has a change in just

2417
01:47:49,230 --> 01:47:47,530
a short time yeah you know there are

2418
01:47:51,780 --> 01:47:49,240
there are at least two different X

2419
01:47:53,400 --> 01:47:51,790
factors involved in that regard the one

2420
01:47:56,400 --> 01:47:53,410
you may just mention the fact that we

2421
01:47:58,440 --> 01:47:56,410
have new technology just on the brink

2422
01:48:01,140 --> 01:47:58,450
bring us new information and that's

2423
01:48:05,040 --> 01:48:01,150
exactly what happened with the spy-1

2424
01:48:08,460 --> 01:48:05,050
radar satellites or radar system on the

2425
01:48:10,140 --> 01:48:08,470
Nimitz that revealed to us things that

2426
01:48:12,270 --> 01:48:10,150
were probably going on for a long time

2427
01:48:15,150 --> 01:48:12,280
with these tick tack UFOs and now if

2428
01:48:17,250 --> 01:48:15,160
we're having new technology as far as

2429
01:48:20,010 --> 01:48:17,260
our abilities to look out into space and

2430
01:48:22,260 --> 01:48:20,020
confirm things that's going to be the

2431
01:48:24,540 --> 01:48:22,270
next thing the other X Factor that we

2432
01:48:29,250 --> 01:48:24,550
haven't even discussed yet is that what

2433
01:48:32,190 --> 01:48:29,260
if the ETS themselves if they exist have

2434
01:48:34,350 --> 01:48:32,200
given an ultimatum that this is gonna

2435
01:48:37,680 --> 01:48:34,360
happen one way or another either you do

2436
01:48:40,470 --> 01:48:37,690
it yourself the planet Earth the powers

2437
01:48:42,390 --> 01:48:40,480
to be or we will do it for you

2438
01:48:44,310 --> 01:48:42,400
that would kind of correspond with some

2439
01:48:46,890 --> 01:48:44,320
what's what's going on with the shutting

2440
01:48:49,560 --> 01:48:46,900
down of the nukes you know around you

2441
01:48:52,920 --> 01:48:49,570
know the military bases the fact that

2442
01:48:55,650 --> 01:48:52,930
you know we we have had a difficult time

2443
01:48:58,020 --> 01:48:55,660
getting back to the moon for instance

2444
01:49:01,370 --> 01:48:58,030
and all those guys things maybe the IEDs

2445
01:49:02,940 --> 01:49:01,380
now are going to do something themselves

2446
01:49:05,280 --> 01:49:02,950
right right

2447
01:49:06,930 --> 01:49:05,290
yes I that is awful puzzling is it how

2448
01:49:08,760 --> 01:49:06,940
how can we never went back to the moon

2449
01:49:10,170 --> 01:49:08,770
when you think of our capabilities and

2450
01:49:12,990 --> 01:49:10,180
we're coming right up

2451
01:49:17,790 --> 01:49:13,000
I think the the anniversary of the 50th

2452
01:49:19,950 --> 01:49:17,800
anniversary actually is coming up but

2453
01:49:23,790 --> 01:49:19,960
or my next show it's I think it was it

2454
01:49:25,920 --> 01:49:23,800
the July 21st do you yes remember that's

2455
01:49:28,500 --> 01:49:25,930
the date yeah yeah nineteen nine

2456
01:49:34,230 --> 01:49:28,510
nineteen sixty-nine you got it I hate to

2457
01:49:36,840 --> 01:49:34,240
say this but I remember that day 50

2458
01:49:39,630 --> 01:49:36,850
years ago it's amazing I was uh I

2459
01:49:42,030 --> 01:49:39,640
hitchhiked to where my parents were

2460
01:49:43,590 --> 01:49:42,040
staying and I was the first time I ever

2461
01:49:46,350 --> 01:49:43,600
hitchhiked and it was really pretty

2462
01:49:48,900 --> 01:49:46,360
daring I think it was a like a hundred

2463
01:49:51,240 --> 01:49:48,910
miles away I had to go and I remember

2464
01:49:53,400 --> 01:49:51,250
walking in and and seeing in a black and

2465
01:49:55,260 --> 01:49:53,410
white TV when Neil Armstrong actually

2466
01:49:57,470 --> 01:49:55,270
stepped on the moon I remember that

2467
01:50:00,630 --> 01:49:57,480
mm-hmm that's something you never forget

2468
01:50:02,490 --> 01:50:00,640
yeah that's really amazing that it's

2469
01:50:06,210 --> 01:50:02,500
amazing that we accomplished that and we

2470
01:50:08,490 --> 01:50:06,220
had a ten-year window to do that and we

2471
01:50:10,140 --> 01:50:08,500
actually did it and you know a lot of

2472
01:50:11,880 --> 01:50:10,150
there are a lot of people maybe some

2473
01:50:13,980 --> 01:50:11,890
listened to the show that say no no no

2474
01:50:15,690 --> 01:50:13,990
we never went to the moon I really think

2475
01:50:19,590 --> 01:50:15,700
there's plenty of evidence to say that

2476
01:50:21,920 --> 01:50:19,600
we actually did go there and there's

2477
01:50:24,240 --> 01:50:21,930
been a lot of great people that actually

2478
01:50:24,690 --> 01:50:24,250
stepped on the moon I can't imagine what

2479
01:50:27,170 --> 01:50:24,700
that's like

2480
01:50:31,020 --> 01:50:27,180
and yeah that would have been very

2481
01:50:33,090 --> 01:50:31,030
amazing that's for sure I I do kind of

2482
01:50:35,010 --> 01:50:33,100
have a hybrid you know view on that

2483
01:50:36,390 --> 01:50:35,020
whole thing I believe we probably did go

2484
01:50:38,700 --> 01:50:36,400
to the moon but I don't know that we

2485
01:50:41,220 --> 01:50:38,710
went there in 1969 that's kind of a

2486
01:50:42,870 --> 01:50:41,230
pretty much a push when you're talking

2487
01:50:46,500 --> 01:50:42,880
about the idea that we could barely get

2488
01:50:49,470 --> 01:50:46,510
a guy into orbit in 1963 John Glenn

2489
01:50:52,290 --> 01:50:49,480
finally went up in 62 and stuff and and

2490
01:50:53,850 --> 01:50:52,300
all of a sudden six years seven years

2491
01:50:56,670 --> 01:50:53,860
later on the moon that's that's a

2492
01:50:58,950 --> 01:50:56,680
fascinating timeframe for me but then

2493
01:51:00,390 --> 01:50:58,960
again you never know we were a pretty

2494
01:51:02,190 --> 01:51:00,400
hot shot back then too

2495
01:51:03,990 --> 01:51:02,200
yeah that's right well they never knew

2496
01:51:06,150 --> 01:51:04,000
if they were gonna come back alive or

2497
01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:06,160
it'd never make it back to thank you so

2498
01:51:09,030 --> 01:51:08,410
much we're out of time it's been been a

2499
01:51:11,640 --> 01:51:09,040
real pleasure

2500
01:51:12,450 --> 01:51:11,650
all right pleasure all right thank you

2501
01:51:15,360 --> 01:51:12,460
sure thing

2502
01:51:17,460 --> 01:51:15,370
you take care alright everyone so that's

2503
01:51:21,950 --> 01:51:17,470
it for the show thank you so much and

2504
01:51:25,830 --> 01:51:21,960
next week we will be either back with

2505
01:51:28,440 --> 01:51:25,840
Nancy and Bill burns or we're going to

2506
01:51:31,330 --> 01:51:28,450
be back with Bruce Maccabee it's kind of

2507
01:51:35,770 --> 01:51:31,340
a long story but it'll be either either

2508
01:51:37,540 --> 01:51:35,780
or no it'll be either guests anyway

2509
01:51:39,100 --> 01:51:37,550
thanks so much for listening to the show

2510
01:51:40,780 --> 01:51:39,110
and thanks so much for everyone that

2511
01:51:43,540 --> 01:51:40,790
helps out our guests Michael hall

2512
01:51:45,490 --> 01:51:43,550
Alejandro Rojas and other people behind

2513
01:51:47,830 --> 01:51:45,500
the scenes and we'll see you next week

2514
01:51:53,260 --> 01:51:47,840
remote it remember to keep your eyes to